Another HUGE injury for WWE!

[DonkeyJote]

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That is 100% wrong. The night after Mania crowd is the smarkiest of smarks. I'd say that 90%, if not more, of that crowd attended Mania the night before. That's not a local crowd. They're a worldwide crowd, they know their ****. Anyone of these guys from NJPW would get a massive pop and be known by these two crowds. They're the smartest of crowds.

Maybe predominantly is the wrong word. But even as huge and international as Wrestlemania is, and we've seen all the stats, the majority (more than 50%) of those crowds are from the area. It's going to be less local and even American than any other show, but more of those fans are going to be American than not. And they might be hardcore WWE fans, but not necessarily watch grainy clips on YouTube with Japanese commentary.

The crowd the night after Wrestlemania is a different story. Nakamura will get a huge pop from them, but really, anyone who isn't a "WWE guy" is going to get a huge pop from them.

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[BDKiiing]

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"Casual" fans aren't shelling out hundreds upon thousands of dollars for tickets to a wrestling show.

[AshamanCarnage]

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"Casual" fans aren't shelling out hundreds upon thousands of dollars for tickets to a wrestling show.

A wrestling show? That is like calling the Super Bowl just a football game.

[BDKiiing]

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A wrestling show? That is like calling the Super Bowl just a football game.

That only furthers my point. But the emphasis was on the money spent on it.

[DonkeyJote]

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It's been a long time, but when Wrestlemania was in Seattle, I had several friends go to Wrestlemania and most of them didn't watch the product on a weekly basis by any means.

I also think you're grossly overestimating the cost of attending. Ticketmaster has the price range as low as $42, and the standing room only tickets are only $18. For 31, everything in the 400 level was between $39-$79, and even 100 level tickets only ran $179 to $254 a pop. Pretty close to single game NFL tickets at Levi's Stadium, and we all know plenty of non-hardcore fans go to those.

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[PVarck31]

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We know one independent doctor cleared him, and he went to see a third. But even if 10 doctors cleared him, WWE can't realistically go against the advice of their own doctor. They are involved in a lawsuit about concussions where they are accused of having guys wrestle when they shouldn't. If Bryan wrestles and anything goes wrong, not only are they liable towards him, it's probably a nail in the coffin in the other case, and it'd be absolutely brutal in public opinion. But even take all of that other stuff out of it. Your doctor, who has worked for you for years, tells you that in his professional opinion, Bryan should never wrestle again. And then another doctor, who does not work for you, clears him. Are you really going to disregard your own doctor's advice?

If Bryan is cleared, I think it's very risky to have him for Mania at all, as he could essentially hijack the main event again. If he is, you cannot announce him until after Fast Lane, and even with all the injuries, you may be better off waiting until after Mania to bring him back.

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The weird thing to me is the fact that he has been cleared by at least one neurologist and that neurologist is supposedly considered one of the best in the country. As far as I know WWE's head doctor is not a neurologist. (correct me if I'm wrong) So to me, it seems like there is some sort of agenda here. You could be right, and it could have to do with the current lawsuit(s) But we all know Ziggler has a history of concussions as well and he has been cleared. I know each case is different. But it does make you wonder.

As far as DB "hijacking" the main event of WM, I don't see how he could do that. I mean so many people are injured and now your top guy (Cena) is out, they need a top babyface for the main event. And Bryan is over as you can possibly be, so I don't see how he could "hijack" anything.

Unfortunately I don't believe WWE will ever clear him. And when his contract is up I'm sure he will got to Japan or Lucha Underground.

[ubernoob]

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I read this idea on Twitter, someone said why not have Nakamura as Brock's Wrestlemania opponent. Brought the idea of bringing Nakamura in as the "King of strongstyle". He said even though casuals don't know who he is the Wrestlemania crowd do and anyone that attacks Brock instantly becomes over. I wouldn't mind that happening.

Forgot to mention this earlier.

I don't know if they'd be able to get it from them (hopefully they would) but they could easily make a promo and cut in footage from the Tokyo Dome when Lesnar retained the IWGP Title over Nakamura.

[DonkeyJote]

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The weird thing to me is the fact that he has been cleared by at least one neurologist and that neurologist is supposedly considered one of the best in the country. As far as I know WWE's head doctor is not a neurologist. (correct me if I'm wrong) So to me, it seems like there is some sort of agenda here. You could be right, and it could have to do with the current lawsuit(s) But we all know Ziggler has a history of concussions as well and he has been cleared. I know each case is different. But it does make you wonder.

As far as DB "hijacking" the main event of WM, I don't see how he could do that. I mean so many people are injured and now your top guy (Cena) is out, they need a top babyface for the main event. And Bryan is over as you can possibly be, so I don't see how he could "hijack" anything.

Unfortunately I don't believe WWE will ever clear him. And when his contract is up I'm sure he will got to Japan or Lucha Underground.

You're thinking of Dr. Amann (I think that's his name) who is the physician who travels on the road with WWE. WWE also sends guys to Dr. Maroon, who is a neurosurgeon, and actually also has a very long relationship with the NFL.

I don't know how many concussions Daniel Bryan has had, but he has said he's suffered concussions in the past, in his Indy days. For Dolph, I don't know this for sure, but from listening to him on Talk is Jericho, I came away with the impression that the one when he had the title was his first diagnosed one. And then he got the other one, so that's two. I think if Bryan isn't being cleared, we're probably talking about more than 5. I mean, 15 years ago, when we weren't as cautious as a society about concussions as we are now, Steve Young was forced to retire after 5 or 6. Troy Aikman was estimated at 7 or 8. I had a friend who wasn't allowed by doctors to play intramural volleyball because she had suffered 8 concussions. I get the other doctor saying his brain looks great in a cat scan, but I also totally understand Maroon saying if he's had a bunch that he should be done. And WWE should absolutely listen to the neurosurgeon they have a relationship with.

As far as him hijacking the main event, as of right now, I think the common belief is that Roman Reigns will be in the main event as Wrestlemania, and he is, right now without any question, their top babyface. If Bryan enters the Rumble, and anybody but him and maybe Lesnar wins it, fans will turn on the winner again. Him being in the Rumble last year 100% hurt Roman's character. He's been getting over, bringing Bryan kills that because so many fans see Bryan being anything less than the Champ as a travesty.

Forgot to mention this earlier.

I don't know if they'd be able to get it from them (hopefully they would) but they could easily make a promo and cut in footage from the Tokyo Dome when Lesnar retained the IWGP Title over Nakamura.

I don't see WWE fans remotely caring about that. Hell, I don't care a match that happened over a decade ago in a different country. If it was a long standing, historic rivalry, that would be a different story. Even if he is amazing in the ring, it will take time to get over. Daniel Bryan is amazing in the ring, but go back and watch the first episode of NXT. He gets a bigger reaction than the rest, but I'd still say it's far from a good reaction, much less one that is good enough to put a guy in a Wrestlemania match with Brock Lesnar. So you're asking Nakamura to go from relative obscurity for the majority of wwe fans, to main event level over in about 2 months, tops, from debut to match with Lesnar, with a significant language barrier. He may not need to talk to get over, but he would need to talk to get over fast.

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[Majingir]

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Why dont guys still appear on tv when injured? They dont got to compete, but why not try commentary like punk did, or commish like foley, or even a manager for a younger star needing a push. Injured guys can still help out wwe if they're on the level like a cena,bryan,orton ect. They get paid either way dont they?

[ubernoob]

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I don't see WWE fans remotely caring about that. Hell, I don't care a match that happened over a decade ago in a different country. If it was a long standing, historic rivalry, that would be a different story. Even if he is amazing in the ring, it will take time to get over. Daniel Bryan is amazing in the ring, but go back and watch the first episode of NXT. He gets a bigger reaction than the rest, but I'd still say it's far from a good reaction, much less one that is good enough to put a guy in a Wrestlemania match with Brock Lesnar. So you're asking Nakamura to go from relative obscurity for the majority of wwe fans, to main event level over in about 2 months, tops, from debut to match with Lesnar, with a significant language barrier. He may not need to talk to get over, but he would need to talk to get over fast.

Nobody is saying that they have to care about that match. It's saying there is history to go from.

I don't think you quite understand the magnitude of these signings. At all.

[PVarck31]

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OK, if Maroon is a neurologist then its more understandable.

As far as the highjacking thing I don't think he needs to be in the main event. If you give him Nakumura then I think people would eat that up.

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[jvalverde88]

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Forgot to mention this earlier.

I don't know if they'd be able to get it from them (hopefully they would) but they could easily make a promo and cut in footage from the Tokyo Dome when Lesnar retained the IWGP Title over Nakamura.

I remember Kidani releasing a statement saying that WWE approached them about using their footage and they declined.

[jvalverde88]

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OK, if Maroon is a neurologist then its more understandable.

As far as the highjacking thing I don't think he needs to be in the main event. If you give him Nakumura then I think people would eat that up.

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Also Maroon is one of the protagonist in the concussion movie. I truly believe he's not clearing Bryan so he won't get anymore heat than he already is getting.

[BDKiiing]

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I call bull**** that Nakamura couldn't get massively over by Mania. There is no other wrestler on the planet who exudes the charisma that he does. No one.

[DJ]

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Nobody is saying that they have to care about that match. It's saying there is history to go from.

I don't think you quite understand the magnitude of these signings. At all.

So these guys are so far ahead of Balor, Itami, Joe, Owens, Zayn, Bryan and Punk that they're just going to sign with WWE, go straight to the main roster and wind up in high-profile matches at this year's WM?

I just don't see that happening.

I'd argue that the guys I listed were at the same level, if not higher, both in terms of in-ring ability and notability and they all spent time in developmental/NXT. Why would these signings be any different?