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  • DonkeyJote
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    • Jul 2003
    • 9177

    #61
    Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

    Originally posted by Majingir
    Why dont guys still appear on tv when injured? They dont got to compete, but why not try commentary like punk did, or commish like foley, or even a manager for a younger star needing a push. Injured guys can still help out wwe if they're on the level like a cena,bryan,orton ect. They get paid either way dont they?
    I wholeheartedly agree. There's things they can do. Pair them with someone and let that guy get a rub for a bit. Hell, with the hoops Roman is jumping through, they could have Cena be assigned "Quality Assurance" or something by the "board of directors" and serve as a foil to the Authority while he heals, and then maybe you have Triple H vs Cena at Summerslam.
    Originally posted by ubernoob
    Nobody is saying that they have to care about that match. It's saying there is history to go from.

    I don't think you quite understand the magnitude of these signings. At all.
    If the fans don't care, there's no reason to do the history. It's not exactly Genrico/Steen. I understand the magnitude fine. These are 4 of the biggest international wrestling stars in the world, and 4 amazing talents. But I think you are vastly overestimating how much and how quickly that ability will translate into being over. They have to find a way to connect to a new audience. They will all do it, but it'll probably take some time.
    Originally posted by PVarck31
    OK, if Maroon is a neurologist then its more understandable.

    As far as the highjacking thing I don't think he needs to be in the main event. If you give him Nakumura then I think people would eat that up.

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    Maybe. I think the hardest of hardcore fans may be okay with that. But 2 years ago they booed Rey Mysterio and last year they booed The Rock after Bryan didn't win. If he's in the Rumble or at Fast Lane and doesn't win a spot in the Main Event, I think you'll see a similar reaction.
    Originally posted by jvalverde88
    Also Maroon is one of the protagonist in the concussion movie. I truly believe he's not clearing Bryan so he won't get anymore heat than he already is getting.
    I think there's some truth to that, but I don't think it's necessarily "he's fine, but I'm not going to clear him anyway". I think it's more about taking a more cautious approach. But honestly, as far as any of us discussing whether or not he should be clear, it's pretty ridiculous. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not a neurosurgeon. And frankly, neither is Daniel Bryan. So, we know one guy said yes, and one guy said no. Logically, does it make any sense to risk it, especially given the lawsuits and what the longterm effects on Bryan himself could be?
    Originally posted by bdolski
    I call bull**** that Nakamura couldn't get massively over by Mania. There is no other wrestler on the planet who exudes the charisma that he does. No one.
    I just don't see it, personally. He will get over, of that I have little doubt. But really, who in history has gotten that over, that fast, in WWE? Undertaker? Brock Lesnar? Big Show? Those guys had amazing size to fall back on. Maybe the Shield or Wyatts, but they had numbers and had been in developmental. I think it just normally takes time to find that connection with fans, and expecting anyone to do that, especially someone who has never appeared regularly on American television, is asking too much.

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    • ubernoob
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      • Jul 2004
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      #62
      Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

      Originally posted by DJ
      So these guys are so far ahead of Balor, Itami, Joe, Owens, Zayn, Bryan and Punk that they're just going to sign with WWE, go straight to the main roster and wind up in high-profile matches at this year's WM?

      I just don't see that happening.

      I'd argue that the guys I listed were at the same level, if not higher, both in terms of in-ring ability and notability and they all spent time in developmental/NXT. Why would these signings be any different?
      Nope, all of those guys had more questions than these two (be it about in ring ability and the transition to WWE, Notability or just general awareness.)

      Legitimately, the only signing/debut in memory I can think of to compare these to would be Jericho in '99 in terms of the impact they can have.

      (also: Please note I am just talking about Styles and Nakamura. Not about Gallows/Anderson who are fantastic in their own right, but not nearly on the same level as these two.)
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      • DonkeyJote
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        • Jul 2003
        • 9177

        #63
        Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

        Wow. I see it way differently. I knew way more about Bryan, Itami, Balor, and Joe coming in than I do of Nakamura (AJ obviously trumps all but Joe, where it's about equal). I don't see what concerns there would be about the in ring ability of any of those guys, or the transition of Punk (I wasn't watching at the time of his debut, but seeing some of his RoH stuff, it's obvious he could cut great promos). Only thing about Owens and Joe at all would be their weight. I'd view Nakamura's language as just as big of a barrier as that.

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        • ubernoob
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          • Jul 2004
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          #64
          Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

          Originally posted by DonkeyJote
          Wow. I see it way differently. I knew way more about Bryan, Itami, Balor, and Joe coming in than I do of Nakamura (AJ obviously trumps all but Joe, where it's about equal). I don't see what concerns there would be about the in ring ability of any of those guys, or the transition of Punk (I wasn't watching at the time of his debut, but seeing some of his RoH stuff, it's obvious he could cut great promos). Only thing about Owens and Joe at all would be their weight. I'd view Nakamura's language as just as big of a barrier as that.

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          Balor - Was big in Japan, but was also a junior. Didn't typify WWE style.
          Itami - Big fish from a tiny pond. NOAH is nowhere near the levels of NJPW. Not the most charismatic, was just a super good workhorse for NOAH.
          Joe - Old, and "fat"
          Owens - "Fat Indy Darling"
          Zayn - "Indy Darling" that people weren't sure how he would transition dropping the mask.
          Bryan - "Indy Darling" that people said had zero charisma.
          Punk - "Indy Darling" with a non-typical body.

          I'm not saying that a lot of these are legitimate, but there were questions of how over they'd get in WWE due to their perceived (legitimately or not) deficiencies. I think a lot of people saw them getting over, but they each had some question marks around them when they came in.

          Styles and Nakamura have none. They are two bonafide, proven superstars from the only promotion around that could sniff the WWE. WWE and NJPW are on their own levels right now, and no other promotion is near them.

          This is more "WCW signing jumping to WWE" than it is "WWE signs notable indy stars."

          I'm also not saying WWE will use them like that, they could easily just go to NXT. They could use them like that if they wanted to though.
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          • PVarck31
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            • Jan 2003
            • 16869

            #65
            Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

            I want to apologize for spelling Nakamura wrong. As R-Truth would say...My bad. That ones on me.

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            • BDKiiing
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              • Jun 2008
              • 9334

              #66
              Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

              And that's the huge difference between when they signed Punk, Cesaro, Bryan, Balor, Itami, Owens, Zayn, and Hero and this. They were all "prospects" being signed, they all did some time in developmental for various reasons, whether it was getting accustomed to the style or whatnot. Joe is a different story. But they intentions would be to bring AJ and Nakamura to the main roster. They're proven superstars. They're probably the two best performers on the planet right now, they're not taking a chance with them by signing some prospect, they know what they're getting.
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              • DonkeyJote
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                • Jul 2003
                • 9177

                #67
                Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                Agreed. I don't think Nakamura will spend much time in NXT, if any. I'll be shocked if AJ isn't in the Rumble. But there's a difference between going straight to the main roster and being put immediately into a program with Brock Lesnar. Jericho interrupted Triple H, but then feuded with Road Dogg.

                But I don't know how you can count "atypical WWE body" as a serious concern for CM Punk, and age for Joe for that matter, and not count lack of English skills for Nakamura and age for Styles (AJ is 38, 2 years older than Samoa Joe and only about a month and a half younger than Cena).

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                • ubernoob
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                  • Jul 2004
                  • 15522

                  #68
                  Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                  I don't count them because (odds are) they are being brought in for different roles.

                  Joe was never a mainstream star. He's a workrate hero, brought in for a nice NXT run and we'll see where it goes from them. Punk was brought in to developmental and stayed in OVW for like 6 months or whatever it was.

                  I'm assuming again here, but these two are being brought in as star power. Also, with the Network launch in Japan, I'm pretty sure they want something high profile for Nakamura to feature in.

                  It's all guesswork, though, because we haven't seen WWE bring in anyone from outside to bolster the main rosters drawing power at any time in recent memory. Everyone has had their developmental spots (even if they don't necessarily "need" them.)

                  Nakamura is a very basic promo in Japan. He's not a "talker" over there. He's huge because his personality, charisma and in-ring ability are out of this world. Same for AJ. AJ is pretty... boring on the mic, but when it comes to in-ring he's amazing at putting together a match.

                  Will it work? No idea, nobody can say for sure. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on both of them getting huge pops and being over. As for the other 2, I can definitely see them debuting with Finn on the main roster and them getting a rub from him.
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                  • BDKiiing
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                    • Jun 2008
                    • 9334

                    #69
                    Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                    It's no coincidence that WWE went after two of the top four biggest stars in NJPW right around the same time as the network launching in Japan.
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                    • TheShizNo1
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 26341

                      #70
                      Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                      Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                      Jericho interrupted Triple H*, but then feuded with Road Dogg.

                      *The Rock

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                      • Jukeman
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                        • Aug 2005
                        • 10955

                        #71
                        Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                        Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                        Agreed. I don't think Nakamura will spend much time in NXT, if any. I'll be shocked if AJ isn't in the Rumble. But there's a difference between going straight to the main roster and being put immediately into a program with Brock Lesnar. Jericho interrupted Triple H, but then feuded with Road Dogg.

                        But I don't know how you can count "atypical WWE body" as a serious concern for CM Punk, and age for Joe for that matter, and not count lack of English skills for Nakamura and age for Styles (AJ is 38, 2 years older than Samoa Joe and only about a month and a half younger than Cena).

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                        Or the lack of mic skills for AJ

                        And are we calling Styles a mainstream star? Lol

                        This is not close to WCW stars jumping to WWE. I watch a lot NJPW but you'd be surprise at how many knowledgable american indy wrestling fans does not.

                        Ran across quite a few people since these rumors who never actually seen Nakamura in action. He's very charismatic and great in the ring but thats not enough to get over on a Monday night in a random June date. He's better off going to NXT building a american fan base which shouldn't be long considering the audience, his mannerism and skills.


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                        • reyes the roof
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                          #72
                          Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                          Originally posted by DonkeyJote

                          Maybe. I think the hardest of hardcore fans may be okay with that. But 2 years ago they booed Rey Mysterio and last year they booed The Rock after Bryan didn't win. If he's in the Rumble or at Fast Lane and doesn't win a spot in the Main Event, I think you'll see a similar reaction.

                          Mysterio got boo'd because it meant Bryan wasn't in The Rumble in 2014, holding him out of this year's Rumble isn't going to avoid another situation like that. Last year was a product of a poorly booked Rumble as much as anything. When they eliminated Bryan so early in the match it became evident Reigns was winning before he even entered. Throw in the fact that instead of having Reigns look as good as he did the year before, they went the route of having him get beat up all match and make a miraculous comeback, plus Kane and The Big Show dominating at the end, that's a formula for disaster, especially in Philly.


                          I don't think any of that will matter this year because I don't think Reigns is winning, and they're not putting the belt on another babyface. So if whoever wins gets boo'd out of the building, that's the reaction they want, unlike the past two years. My guess is HHH enters as #30 and wins to set up HHH vs Reigns at WM. I don't see them doing that match if Reigns is going in as champion

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                          • PVarck31
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16869

                            #73
                            Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                            It has to be Triple H or Lesnar. That's it.

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                            • TheShizNo1
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                              • Mar 2007
                              • 26341

                              #74
                              Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                              Originally posted by PVarck31
                              It has to be Triple H
                              **** that! If that happens, I demand he and Rock for the title at Wrestlemania.


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                              • PVarck31
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                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16869

                                #75
                                Re: Another HUGE injury for WWE!

                                Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                                **** that! If that happens, I demand he and Rock for the title at Wrestlemania.


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