Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

[TheVinylHippo]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

I think it's obvious which Backlash is the greatest.

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[DJ]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

This show exceeded my expectations.

Women's Championship match was solid. Glad they went the elimination route; allowed the match time to breathe and everyone had a moment to shine. Glad that Becky won.

Miz-Ziggler was really good, and while I usually don't like distraction finishes, this one fit the story well and Maryse can do whatever she wants.

Tag matches were OK. I like the Usos change in gear, but they need to update the tron, too.

Styles-Ziggler was really good. For as great as Broken Matt Hardy has been from a character standpoint, Styles has been just as good, and his in-ring work is what he says it is, phenomenal. I don't think anyone else has been as good as Styles has been in 2016, so it's fitting he won the title. Great effort from Dean, and I'm sure a rematch or two, is coming.

[Bard]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

Okay Bray didn't lose clean to Kane. No Holds Barred match, and Randy hit a RKO.

I'm fine with all that, Wyatt will win this feud.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

Weren't you ****ting on it earlier tonight? Lol


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I still found the rest of the PPV to be boring. Each time I thought about the PPV during the day I thought how I'd rather be watching most of the RAW roster instead. AJ winning makes it all worth it.

Me laughing at your favorite Backlash:

I think it's obvious which Backlash is the greatest.

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That video doesn't show the best part.

Okay Bray didn't lose clean to Kane. No Holds Barred match, and Randy hit a RKO.

I'm fine with all that, Wyatt will win this feud.

Who the hell cares about this feud, though? And Kane was the best idea they could come up with?

[Mercury112491]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

Kind of over reacting with Ziggler and Wyatt I think. I thought they booked both of those well enough to get them out of a bad spot.

Bray beat the **** outta Kane and the only reason he lost was cause Randy RKO'd him. I know Bray loses a lot but this wasn't one to get upset over. Plus the spot where he imitated Randy then put Kane through the table was awesome.

Ziggler and Miz was another tough one. Miz works better with the title than without and Ziggler couldn't lose two PPV's in a row clean. So they put on a great match(IMO) and have Dolph lose because of interference. Both guys look strong.

I honestly don't see a problem with the way either match ended. Both booked very well.


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[TheShizNo1]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

Bray beat the **** outta Kane and the only reason he lost was cause Randy RKO'd him. I know Bray loses a lot but this wasn't one to get upset over. Plus the spot where he imitated Randy then put Kane through the table was awesome.

It's Kane. Who cares. In the moment, maybe it isn't that bad, but why would people continue to care about Bray? Clean or shenanigans, he's taking an L.

Ziggler and Miz was another tough one. Miz works better with the title than without and Ziggler couldn't lose two PPV's in a row clean. So they put on a great match(IMO) and have Dolph lose because of interference. Both guys look strong.

Again, who cares? In the moment, good match. But, Ziggler continues to be nothing more than a mid/upper card jobber and Miz (as the best heel on the roster) continues to be stuck in the mid card.

Those matches/moments alone, I agree that they weren't that bad. But it was pretty much status quo for all involved and I don't think that's a good thing.

[SidVish]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

I'm just glad AJ is getting to shine on the biggest stage. He has been the most entertaining wrestler in quite some time now. He's the face that runs the place!! For those who haven't seen his NJPW work go get your popcorn and enjoy.

As for Bray and Ziggler I don't care anymore. I get how some think that they were booked strong but it doesn't matter to me because at the end of the day they just lose and lose and lose. And Kane? That just made me care even less about the match.

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[eremiomania]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

Enjoyed the show but I wish they'd just let Styles go over clean and I know it wasn't clean but Wyatt can't even beat Kane at a PPV. Man.

But anyways, really enjoyed all the matches.

[Bard]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

It's Kane. Who cares. In the moment, maybe it isn't that bad, but why would people continue to care about Bray? Clean or shenanigans, he's taking an L.



Again, who cares? In the moment, good match. But, Ziggler continues to be nothing more than a mid/upper card jobber and Miz (as the best heel on the roster) continues to be stuck in the mid card.

Those matches/moments alone, I agree that they weren't that bad. But it was pretty much status quo for all involved and I don't think that's a good thing.

Honestly...it sounds like you need a break. I personally loved both matches, and how everything played out last night.

I know everyone has different tastes and blah blah, but man, last night was a pretty solid PPV. Those two matches were above average to solid, but you're still finding a way to moan over them.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

Honestly...it sounds like you need a break. I personally loved both matches, and how everything played out last night.

I know everyone has different tastes and blah blah, but man, last night was a pretty solid PPV. Those two matches were above average to solid, but you're still finding a way to moan over them.

LOL. How do you read that post and say that? I clearly said, those matches alone weren't bad and even said Miz/Ziggler was good.

Here's another way of saying what I said coming from someone else:

As for Bray and Ziggler I don't care anymore. I get how some think that they were booked strong but it doesn't matter to me because at the end of the day they just lose and lose and lose. And Kane? That just made me care even less about the match.

What's next? Kane (hopefully) goes away. Ziggler continues to rack up losses. Miz continues to shine as a heel but remains nothing more than a gatekeeper. Wyatt continues to (shenanigans or not) lose.

[Bard]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

LOL. How do you read that post and say that? I clearly said, those matches alone weren't bad and even said Miz/Ziggler was good.

Here's another way of saying what I said coming from someone else:



What's next? Kane (hopefully) goes away. Ziggler continues to rack up losses. Miz continues to shine as a heel but remains nothing more than a gatekeeper. Wyatt continues to (shenanigans or not) lose.

It's more like contradicting than anything, maybe it is too early for me? Who knows.

However, when I came into this brand split, I literally gave everyone a clean slate because you kind of have to. I mean look at Heath Slater of all people is one half of the first ever Smackdown Tag Team Champions, and everyone loves it.

You say you didn't mind those two matches, but then you say they are practically jobbers.

Bray put on a very entertaining no DQ match against a near 50 year old Kane. Kane even at 50 still is Kane. Bray also got RKO'd...this isn't the end of that, not by a long shot.



Ziggler lost an average match against Dean Ambrose showing me he isn't exactly main event worthy in this brand split until proven otherwise. Then he goes on and puts on an amazing match with Miz that ended only because of pepper spray. Ziggler will be perfect for the mid card, and could fill in the main event scene.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

It's more like contradicting than anything, maybe it is too early for me? Who knows.

However, when I came into this brand split, I literally gave everyone a clean slate because you kind of have to. I mean look at Heath Slater of all people is one half of the first ever Smackdown Tag Team Champions, and everyone loves it.

You say you didn't mind those two matches, but then you say they are practically jobbers.

Bray put on a very entertaining no DQ match against a near 50 year old Kane. Kane even at 50 still is Kane. Bray also got RKO'd...this isn't the end of that, not by a long shot.



Ziggler lost an average match against Dean Ambrose showing me he isn't exactly main event worthy in this brand split until proven otherwise. Then he goes on and puts on an amazing match with Miz that ended only because of pepper spray. Ziggler will be perfect for the mid card, and could fill in the main event scene.

There are no contradictory statements. Jobbers can put on entertaining matches. I agree to an extent on the fresh view of the brand split. But I'm not sure how you erase years (years, man) of Wyatt and Ziggler always taking L's. How does one take them seriously enough to win a big match? Slater has nothing to do with this conversation as his situation is nothing like the others. I think you're really optimistic and I'm going off of what the company has done with all guys included in the last couple of years. I should give them a break because of the fresh split, correct? How do I do then when after the brand split they're in the exact same situations they were before it?

[Bard]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

There are no contradictory statements. Jobbers can put on entertaining matches. I agree to an extent on the fresh view of the brand split. But I'm not sure how you erase years (years, man) of Wyatt and Ziggler always taking L's. How does one take them seriously enough to win a big match? Slater has nothing to do with this conversation as his situation is nothing like the others. I think you're really optimistic and I'm going off of what the company has done with all guys included in the last couple of years. I should give them a break because of the fresh split, correct? How do I do then when after the brand split they're in the exact same situations they were before it?

I really can't say you're wrong due to the fact nobodies opinions are. However, Bray has won a majority of his feuds if I remember correctly? He may have lost the bigger ones, but still. Ziggler on the other hand is a lot more interesting because he is an all talk, all performer, no success (except 2013 and prior).

I threw Slater in there because he is a jobber, Wyatt and Ziggler could win the big one at any moment if the E decided they wanted to. Both men have had bad booking, but I wouldn't consider them even close to jobber status...especially with the brand split being how old?

[Mercury112491]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

Honestly if you look back throughout history many of the all time greatest heels were mid carders who occasionally filled in at the main event level. I don't think Miz is a true main event guy. He is absolutely perfect where he is and with what he's doing.

Ziggler is pretty much the same way. He's a great IC upper mid card talent who occasionally can jump up to the main event scene. As a face. As a heel I think he's good enough to actually have a short run as champion.

Both guys are doing great work in their roles. So just enjoy it.

As for Bray, I agree he's been mishandled in the past. I don't, however have any problems with how he's been booked since the split.


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[UFCMPunk]

Re: Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

The last 3 major WWE champions have been AJ Styles, KO, and Finn Balor. New era indeed. GJ Vince


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If you include the fact Nakamura is the NXT Champion at the moment, it is indeed a new era in the WWE.

I think by the time we get to Clash of Champions for Raw, they obviously will have more star power but will have a tough time living up to what we saw last night at Backlash. I also think due to circumstances of Orton's injury, so little matches on the card, WWE had to kill more time and so the matches were able to go on a bit longer than they would have gotten for the wrestlers to do more and make most of the matches. I believe that's where RAW will hurt Clash of Champions in there will more matches but SD will show less is more.