TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

[Majingir]

AJ Styles(c) vs Dean Ambrose - TLC match for WWE World Championship
Becky Lynch(c) vs Alexa Bliss - Tables match WWE Womens Championship
Slater/Rhyno(c) vs Wyatt Family - WWE Tag Team Championship
The Miz(c) vs Dolph Ziggler - Ladder match for WWE Intercontinental Championship
Nikki Bella vs Carmella - No DQ match
Baron Corbin vs Kalisto - Chairs Match

[ggsimmonds]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

No stairs match?

[Majingir]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

No stairs match?

That was just a 1 year thing. Should've just made Nikki-Carmella a stairs match or something. Like Nikki Bella gets found knocked out on stairs instead of just some place backstage during SS. So she accuses Carmella, and challenges her to a stairs match. Then the person who actually did attack her helps Carmella win(which I still thinks does happen in this NO DQ match,but would've been more fitting in stairs match).

[PeoplesChampGB]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

That was just a 1 year thing. Should've just made Nikki-Carmella a stairs match or something. Like Nikki Bella gets found knocked out on stairs instead of just some place backstage during SS. So she accuses Carmella, and challenges her to a stairs match. Then the person who actually did attack her helps Carmella win(which I still thinks does happen in this NO DQ match,but would've been more fitting in stairs match).

Next they'll have a ringbell match. Or a ringbell ladder match where you have to climb the ladder and ring the bell yourself.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

That was just a 1 year thing. Should've just made Nikki-Carmella a stairs match or something. Like Nikki Bella gets found knocked out on stairs instead of just some place backstage during SS. So she accuses Carmella, and challenges her to a stairs match. Then the person who actually did attack her helps Carmella win(which I still thinks does happen in this NO DQ match,but would've been more fitting in stairs match).

I know it was, but it should not have even been that.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

Next they'll have a ringbell match. Or a ringbell ladder match where you have to climb the ladder and ring the bell yourself.

God I hope someone from WWE creative doesn't stumble across this suggestion. I can see it now, "well he didn't beat Cena clean because Cena climbed the ladder first but the hammer was hidden below the ring"

[Majingir]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

After that Raw Womens Title match, SD better go all out for the womens ladder match.

[reyes the roof]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

I hope they don't make it a ladder match just to try and top what they did on Raw, that's terrible storytelling. Sasha and Charlotte have been feuding for over a year so adding special stipulations to their matches makes more sense

[redsox4evur]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

I hope they don't make it a ladder match just to try and top what they did on Raw, that's terrible storytelling. Sasha and Charlotte have been feuding for over a year so adding special stipulations to their matches makes more sense

Yea I agree, reyes. It makes sense for Sasha and Charlotte to go and do the stuff they do. Like I said in a thread earlier, just this year they faced each other around 40-50 times including house show matches. Alexa and Becky is probably half that. And if we go back the last 3 years Sasha and Charlotte have probably faced each other at least 125 times. Alexa and Becky would be lucky to have a third of that. Now if Alexa and Becky are still feuding this time next year, fine throw them in a ladder match, HIAC, whatever. But not right now. Like you said it wouldn't make sense. Maybe if SD was going for the we're better than you, every single week. Yea I could kinda get behind it, but given the circumstances I can't get behind a ladder match with Alexa and Becky.

[Majingir]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

If Nikki-Carmella can get a No DQ match despite feuding for no title for like 2 months, then Alexa-Becky should get better than that.

[redsox4evur]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

If Nikki-Carmella can get a No DQ match despite feuding for no title for like 2 months, then Alexa-Becky should get better than that.

The Nikki-Carmella feud has an actual story behind it. Carmella has beat the snot of Nikki on multiple occasions prematch, in the back, instead of a match, etc. So it makes sense for them to have a NO DQ match. And Becky and Alexa haven't done any of that together. And all you need is for one little botch onto a ladder and one of the your best women is going to miss some serious time in an already super weak division. And the title doesn't matter in this instance. I would be completely fine with Charlotte and Sasha just having a regular HIAC without the title being on the line because their feud called for it. Tell me one reason other than Sasha v. Charlotte having all these stipulation matches (who are arguably the best female wrestlers in the company's history) why Becky v. Alexa should be a ladder match?

[Majingir]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

It's called TLC. Every match is gonna be tables,ladders,chairs or tlc match(minus the no dq one). So why not have first women's ladder match? Chairs match or tables match doesn't have as much hype/excitement strictly from a stipulation standpoint regardless of who's in it(minus Dudley's)

[redsox4evur]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

It's called TLC. Every match is gonna be tables,ladders,chairs or tlc match(minus the no dq one). So why not have first women's ladder match? Chairs match or tables match doesn't have as much hype/excitement strictly from a stipulation standpoint regardless of who's in it(minus Dudley's)

You couldn't be more wrong on this.

Spoiler

Go back and look at the card from just last year. You had 3/7 (not including women's title matches because there hadn't been a stipulation match since the Ruthless Aggression Era). In 2014 3/8 were had no stipulation to them. In 2013 a 6/8 of them had no stipulation (unless you wanna count a handicap match as a stipulation, if you do then the number is once again 5/8). In 2012 it was once again 5 matches that were no stipulation matches (unless you wanna count the Battle Royale for the Women's title match, which makes it4/9 no stipulation matches). In 2011 you had 6/10 that were no stipulation matches. In 2010 you had only 2 nonstipulation matches and you actually had a women's tag team tables match. And the first ever TLC PPV in 09 had 3/8 matches that had no stipulation to them.

So to summarize all that jargon in spoilers you have to go all the way back to 2010 to find a PPV with just 2 standard singles or tag team matches at the TLC PPV. So yes there will be at least 2 regular matches on this card and I'm willing to bet that the SD Women's title match will be one of them.

[reyes the roof]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

If you want to put them in a Ladder match, build to it at a future event, don't shoehorn them in to one just because it's TLC. Plus I haven't seen anything from Bliss that would make me remotely excited about her in a ladder match

[ggsimmonds]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

If you want to put them in a Ladder match, build to it at a future event, don't shoehorn them in to one just because it's TLC. Plus I haven't seen anything from Bliss that would make me remotely excited about her in a ladder match

Agreed. Making something a gimmick match without reason does not automatically make it more compelling