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[Mercury112491]

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But that's supposed to be NXT's purpose. To build talent for the main rosters. It's great that it got so popular but let's not forget what it's really for.


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[PeoplesChampGB]

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Nakamura isn't coming until at least after Mania, unless they hold him there longer like they did with Finn and Bayley last year. Your right, they keep depleting the NXT talent to the main roster, then what? That's why I like to see NXT involved in the next draft(if they do one this year) where NXT can take main roster guys to replenish the talent so to speak. Guys on the main roster who are lost in the shuffle can go to NXT for a bit then come back to the main roster later.

I guess the answer is no, but is there ever going to be a point where all of the good talent is called up to the main roster and NXT takes a big hit because of it? I keep thinking that we are almost at that point where sooner or later you wont be able to call up four or so ppl every few months.

[cima]

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I guess the answer is no, but is there ever going to be a point where all of the good talent is called up to the main roster and NXT takes a big hit because of it? I keep thinking that we are almost at that point where sooner or later you wont be able to call up four or so ppl every few months.

That's exactly what would happen if Nakamura got called up right now. Roode absolutely cannot carry that main event scene by himself.


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[ubernoob]

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That's exactly what would happen if Nakamura got called up right now. Roode absolutely cannot carry that main event scene by himself.


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Sanity will help.

NXT doesn't need to keep people, it's developmental where they work on their character and the cameras.

Tommy End and Chris Hero are there, so Roode doesn't need to carry it by himself.

[cima]

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Sanity will help.

NXT doesn't need to keep people, it's developmental where they work on their character and the cameras.

Tommy End and Chris Hero are there, so Roode doesn't need to carry it by himself.

See, I don't even know who these guys are. You could consider me a "casual" indy fan if that's a thing...I know a lot of the big names on the independent scene in the USA and some big names in Japan. I knew who KO, Zayn, Balor, Joe, Roode, Nakamura and Crews were. I knew about Eric Young. I heard about some of the guys in the CWC.

But Tommy End? Chris Hero? I just looked that dude up and he's 37. Can these guys really carry the brand? NXT's problem has been they have to keep guys down there that are beyond ready for the main roster because they don't have adequate replacements.

And then there's the whole NXT is developmental vs third brand argument. It's supposed to be developmental but I think it's more of a hybrid and thus that's why they need Roode and Nakamura down there right now otherwise no one would give a ****. Even with them down there right now there's not as much hype surrounding NXT as there used to be and I think even Triple H said they are rebuilding.

[Rocky]

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Who's left for KO to face? (Aside from obviously Jericho). I think JeriKO is too good for them to break up at this point. Zayn/Owens for the title perhaps?

[cima]

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Who's left for KO to face? (Aside from obviously Jericho). I think JeriKO is too good for them to break up at this point. Zayn/Owens for the title perhaps?

If healthy, Balor is the easy answer.

[ubernoob]

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See, I don't even know who these guys are. You could consider me a "casual" indy fan if that's a thing...I know a lot of the big names on the independent scene in the USA and some big names in Japan. I knew who KO, Zayn, Balor, Joe, Roode, Nakamura and Crews were. I knew about Eric Young. I heard about some of the guys in the CWC.

But Tommy End? Chris Hero? I just looked that dude up and he's 37. Can these guys really carry the brand? NXT's problem has been they have to keep guys down there that are beyond ready for the main roster because they don't have adequate replacements.

And then there's the whole NXT is developmental vs third brand argument. It's supposed to be developmental but I think it's more of a hybrid and thus that's why they need Roode and Nakamura down there right now otherwise no one would give a ****. Even with them down there right now there's not as much hype surrounding NXT as there used to be and I think even Triple H said they are rebuilding.

Tommy End is understandable, but having heard of some of the other names but not Chris Hero is kind of crazy (and I don't mean in an "LOL YOU DONT WATCH INDIES WHAT KIND OF FAN ARE YOU.")

He was on the documentary about Punk, was in NXT before (Kassius Ohno) a few years back and was running the indie scene for the last year or two.

He's one of the most knowledgeable wrestlers around, and absolutely has the ability to carry NXT. His thing will be if he can drop a bit of his weight (he had a thyroid problem and pretty much became 2 Chris Hero's at his biggest and looked sloppy [not in ring, just personal presentation wise.]) When it comes to in-ring, he can still absolutely go though.

Tommy End tore up the indies for a bit as well, but he's definitely more obscure. They seem to think pretty highly of him though, considering they had him be the one to show up and face Neville in the surprise UK Tournament match.

[redsox4evur]

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See, I don't even know who these guys are. You could consider me a "casual" indy fan if that's a thing...I know a lot of the big names on the independent scene in the USA and some big names in Japan. I knew who KO, Zayn, Balor, Joe, Roode, Nakamura and Crews were. I knew about Eric Young. I heard about some of the guys in the CWC.



But Tommy End? Chris Hero? I just looked that dude up and he's 37. Can these guys really carry the brand? NXT's problem has been they have to keep guys down there that are beyond ready for the main roster because they don't have adequate replacements.

Guess how old Shinsuke, Joe, Roode are? They are all in their late 30's. Joe is 37 (turning 38 in 2 months), Roode is 39 (turning 40 in May), and Nakamura is 36 (turning 37 in a month). So yea a 37 year old Chris Hero can carry NXT. Also Tommy End is only 31 so he can stick for a couple years before heading up to the main roster. Also Roderick Strong is only 33 and still in the prime of his career. Same goes for Andrade Almas aka La Sombra who is only 27 years old. So right there you have about a year's worth of guys who can carry NXT on the roster right now. And I haven't touched on Pete Dunne, Tyler Bate who WWE signed from their U.K. tour along with most of the other competitors from that tournament. Tyler Bate is ONLY 19 years old. So even if he doesn't show up for a long time he will be under 30 by the time he makes his NXT debut.

And then WWE is always signing guys. I've Matt Riddle's name come up a lot. Dude was the 2016 breakout star in 2016. Also you how guys like Ricochet, Will Ospreay, Zack Sabre Jr., Kota Ibushi. All those guys could sign within the next 3 years. All who are at the oldest in their mid 30s and Ricochet is only 23.


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[redsox4evur]

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Who's left for KO to face? (Aside from obviously Jericho). I think JeriKO is too good for them to break up at this point. Zayn/Owens for the title perhaps?

Goldberg is being advertised for Fastlane so that could be an option.


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[PeoplesChampGB]

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Goldberg is being advertised for Fastlane so that could be an option.


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Ill go ahead and throw this out then.

--KO somehow screws Jericho out of the US title inadvertently and Zayn wins the strap.

--Jericho tells KO that he's on his own against Golberg.

--Brock interferes to DQ Owens, and Owens keeps the strap to fight Jericho and Brock vs Goldberg continues.

[redsox4evur]

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I'll give my thoughts on Goldberg. I think he faces KO for the Title at Fastlane, wins cleanly after destroying KO and a failed interference from Jericho. Then on Monday he shows up on the campus of ESPN in Bristol, CT. Does a bunch of different appearances with the title on his shoulder the whole time. He will do SportsCenter, First Take, some podcast or radio show. Then takes a little break. Comes back for Raw the next week. Cuts some promo against Heyman. Then goes off to do some NBC stuff including the DP show and hosting SNL, holding the title belt on his shoulder the whole time. Brock can come back for Raw and demand a match with Goldberg at WM for the title. Steph comes out and says you have to face Owens tonight in the main event for a chance to face Goldberg in the main event of WM. Brock wins and gets Goldberg. And Goldberg is off doing more television shows and promoting the title match at Mania.


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[cima]

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Guess how old Shinsuke, Joe, Roode are? They are all in their late 30's. Joe is 37 (turning 38 in 2 months), Roode is 39 (turning 40 in May), and Nakamura is 36 (turning 37 in a month). So yea a 37 year old Chris Hero can carry NXT. Also Tommy End is only 31 so he can stick for a couple years before heading up to the main roster. Also Roderick Strong is only 33 and still in the prime of his career. Same goes for Andrade Almas aka La Sombra who is only 27 years old. So right there you have about a year's worth of guys who can carry NXT on the roster right now. And I haven't touched on Pete Dunne, Tyler Bate who WWE signed from their U.K. tour along with most of the other competitors from that tournament. Tyler Bate is ONLY 19 years old. So even if he doesn't show up for a long time he will be under 30 by the time he makes his NXT debut.

And then WWE is always signing guys. I've Matt Riddle's name come up a lot. Dude was the 2016 breakout star in 2016. Also you how guys like Ricochet, Will Ospreay, Zack Sabre Jr., Kota Ibushi. All those guys could sign within the next 3 years. All who are at the oldest in their mid 30s and Ricochet is only 23.


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Yeah I know all those guys are older but they all made a big name for themselves in TNA or NJPW which have been at some point the #2 and #3 promotions in the world. Not sure the same can be said for Chris Hero. But I guess my main point/concern is NXT became a big attraction because of the established stars. I'm not sure Hero and whoever else is out there to grab (save for Omega) can bring that same hype. (But then if Omega went to NXT, fans would be rightfully pissed and pleading for him to be on the main roster) Can the next crop of guys put on great Takeover shows? That's what I'm not sure about. I thought NXT Takeover San Antonio was the worst Takeover yet. Great main event but the rest of the matches did nothing for me. It's a double-edged sword it seems because NXT needs stars to carry their Takeover shows right now so guys like Nakamura, Roode, and Joe have to stay down there when in reality, all 3 of them should've been on the main roster when they signed.

[ubernoob]

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Omega won't agree to go to NXT, he's already said that he's not going there period - but that's neither here nor there.

As far as in-ring work goes? Hero can absolutely deliver the in-ring quality. Tommy End (Aleister Black in NXT) can as well, they are both better than Roode (though, granted, I'm not a big Roode fan.)

The problems they'd run into would be can NXT find a way to make them into compelling characters. Roode isn't a compelling character. Nakamura isn't really a compelling character in NXT since they just relied on his name as he learned to work with the WWE camera setup.

Same thing on the women's side. Ember Moon could be great, her video work was... but then she just came out and who is she? Seems like she's just someone that wears red contacts and smiles.

If you go by rumors though... Kyle O'Reilly wouldn't be a big surprise to end up there soon, Hero is there, Tommy End is there, Adam Cole could be there this year and a few other names. Characters aside, they all have the ability to carry NXT (KOR is probably the one that would need the most help character wise.)

[chronoxiong]

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Decent RAW this week. Lots of progression for a lot of the storylines they are building. Sami Zayn defeating Jericho should lead into a US Title match. Poor Jericho had to go through a table before the Kevin Owens/Braun Stroman match. He's a soldier. Hard to get behind a Ownes/Stroman match when they are all heels. And then Roman Reigns comes out to attack Stroman but he gets booed like a heel too.

Bayley had a lot of screen time for the night. She was in four segments (two backstage skits and involved in two matches). Didn't mind the six-man intergender tag team match. Sasha Banks continuing to get pummeled by Nia Jax is leading me to think she's going to snap and turn on Bayley. RAW also makes me think there are only four Women's wrestlers on the roster right now.

Paul Heyman delivered a great promo before handing a challenge to Goldberg to face his client. Oh hey, a Texas Tornado match between Enzo & Cass vs Rusev and Mahal! I used to love playing those matches on the old Smackdown games! Does Enzo and Cass winning ends this feud or just evens up the score? HHH returns to TV and gives a nice promo about looking for the Seth Rollins. I thought Rollins and HHH were going to brawl but loved that Samoa Joe has finally made it to the main roster. Was hoping he would be on Smackdown instead but maybe down the road.