WRESTLEMANIA 33 - 4/2/17
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Re: WRESTLEMANIA 33 - 4/2/17
What was the point of the over the top Bray stuff? I understand part of the audience is children but it just makes absolutely no sense to have serious competitors like AJ and then have some goofy B horror movie character. They've already ruined his character but as creepy cult leader it's interesting. The stuff tonight and over the past few weeks is horrible and makes me never want to see him again.Comment
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Re: WRESTLEMANIA 33 - 4/2/17
What was the point of the over the top Bray stuff? I understand part of the audience is children but it just makes absolutely no sense to have serious competitors like AJ and then have some goofy B horror movie character. They've already ruined his character but as creepy cult leader it's interesting. The stuff tonight and over the past few weeks is horrible and makes me never want to see him again.MLB: Chicago Cubs
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That's exactly what it was. I watched that video package they aired before the match 3/4 times time after it already aired during Raw. It was great and that match was the one I was most looking forward to. It also didn't help that there was no interference from someone like Samoa Joe, KO, Finn Balor. I'm going to back and rewatch some of the matches including that one so my mind might after watching it again. And I did like the psychology of HHH working on the Rollins' knee throughout the match and Rollins could've sold it better as well. He took a bunch of shots to it but could still pull out a phoenix splash after not being able to do the powerbomb off the top rope.
But this was mentioned earlier in the thread, you don't make a high flyer's knee the story of the match and still have the high flyer do high flyer things.
I do think this match highlighted a potential weakness of Seth though. When it comes to spots he is a goldmine, but he is not great at just working a match. Contrast this with HHH who is, at least I don't think he is great at spots or singular great and memorable moments within a match, but does have some excellent matches under his belt (and shovel).Comment
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Re: WRESTLEMANIA 33 - 4/2/17
What was the point of the over the top Bray stuff? I understand part of the audience is children but it just makes absolutely no sense to have serious competitors like AJ and then have some goofy B horror movie character. They've already ruined his character but as creepy cult leader it's interesting. The stuff tonight and over the past few weeks is horrible and makes me never want to see him again.Comment
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I'm not really putting that on Rollins though. HHH and whoever worked to produce that match is equally to blame. Maybe Seth was the one that said he wants to do that move, but it could have very easily been someone else because to me that looked like a prescripted spot and not a on the mat decision.
But this was mentioned earlier in the thread, you don't make a high flyer's knee the story of the match and still have the high flyer do high flyer things.
I do think this match highlighted a potential weakness of Seth though. When it comes to spots he is a goldmine, but he is not great at just working a match. Contrast this with HHH who is, at least I don't think he is great at spots or singular great and memorable moments within a match, but does have some excellent matches under his belt (and shovel).Comment
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Speaking of that, 13? Had no idea he had nearly that many reigns. Not that titles have meant much in the past 10-15 years, but that still seems inflated.Comment
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The problem with that comparison is that Rocky was never getting the type of reaction as Reigns. Yeah people didn't connect with him, but he was never getting an overwhelming amount of boos or die rocky die chants. So when they turned him, the boos increased. If you turn Reigns he'll actually get less boos because booing him will no longer be the cool thing to doComment
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I think it was a combination of a lot of factors, the obvious being the personal hell he's currently going through. The other is he's best when he's the lead, which he wasn't tonight.Comment
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The problem with that comparison is that Rocky was never getting the type of reaction as Reigns. Yeah people didn't connect with him, but he was never getting an overwhelming amount of boos or die rocky die chants. So when they turned him, the boos increased. If you turn Reigns he'll actually get less boos because booing him will no longer be the cool thing to do
People just don't like that he isn't fit for the spot they are giving him. Heel or Face, he's not at the level of a big-time player - tonight proved that.
The match was an abomination. I liked the story they were trying to tell (even though it's basic and goes back to the HBK/Taker well) but Roman just cannot do it. They could put him as a midcard, US Title type person to get some seasoning under his belt. You look at top guys like Cena, Styles - they could have made Taker's last match tolerable at the very worst.
The fans don't *hate* Roman Reigns. They hate the spot he's in. He doesn't need to be at the tip-top, focus of the card to work a program with Styles. He could have had that match and slid back down.
Look at Braun. He went from a guy everyone hated seeing, to one people thoroughly enjoyed despite his limitations - because it was a natural progression. What did WWE do with that? They promptly fed him to Roman on a RAW of all things going into Mania.
TL;DR - Face/Heel disposition not important. Square Peg, round hole right now. He'll find his groove. He's too good (see many of his matches when he's working with very good wrestlers, he carries his weight) not to. This just isn't the time for it.badComment
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That's exactly what I am getting at. I have no problem with him doing a phoenix splash, even in that match, it was just the timing of it. If it's done before the weapons get introduced I can 100% live with that. But when Rollins takes like 7/8 chair shots and sledgehammer shot to the knee, I wanna see him struggling to pull off a move like the phoenix splash.
My opinion of the match is that Seth and Hunter did what they were asked to do reasonably well, but I don't like what they were asked to do.Comment
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I just don't think he can carry a match and he's not entertaining enough on the mic to ever be "must-see TV" like top stars of the past.Comment
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That's untrue too.
People just don't like that he isn't fit for the spot they are giving him. Heel or Face, he's not at the level of a big-time player - tonight proved that.
The match was an abomination. I liked the story they were trying to tell (even though it's basic and goes back to the HBK/Taker well) but Roman just cannot do it. They could put him as a midcard, US Title type person to get some seasoning under his belt. You look at top guys like Cena, Styles - they could have made Taker's last match tolerable at the very worst.
The fans don't *hate* Roman Reigns. They hate the spot he's in. He doesn't need to be at the tip-top, focus of the card to work a program with Styles. He could have had that match and slid back down.
Look at Braun. He went from a guy everyone hated seeing, to one people thoroughly enjoyed despite his limitations - because it was a natural progression. What did WWE do with that? They promptly fed him to Roman on a RAW of all things going into Mania.
TL;DR - Face/Heel disposition not important. Square Peg, round hole right now. He'll find his groove. He's too good (see many of his matches when he's working with very good wrestlers, he carries his weight) not to. This just isn't the time for it.
You are right that the fans don't hate Roman but the position he is in. Where we differ is that position in your mind means top of the card. Position in my mind means character.Comment
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