WRESTLEMANIA 33 - 4/2/17

[Bard]

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Roman Reigns is the man.

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[cima]

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Does Randy Orton know where the bodies are buried? I mean geez, everybody on the internet seems to have a problem with Reigns going over.......Orton winning made no sense whatsoever. What....did his dad screw up Vinces taxes one year and this is Vinces way of getting back at him.

Well since Orton is a face now, hopefully this means AJ goes right back into the title picture.


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[PhilliesFan13]

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I'm really going to miss The Understaker. So glad I have had the privilege to watch him for well over 20 years. What a career.

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[redsox4evur]

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I'm gonna change my stance from last night. This was actually a good card, not the best but not the worst either. The goods definitely outweighed the bad. Also I'm coming on Taker/Reigns it really wasn't that bad. Their were some blatantly obvious botches but the match overall was still good. I'm going back to watch some matches right now including the HHH/Rollins match. So maybe my thoughts on that match might change after I watch it again.


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[cquigley]

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I'm gonna change my stance from last night. This was actually a good card, not the best but not the worst either. The goods definitely outweighed the bad. Also I'm coming on Taker/Reigns it really wasn't that bad. Their were some blatantly obvious botches but the match overall was still good. I'm going back to watch some matches right now including the HHH/Rollins match. So maybe my thoughts on that match might change after I watch it again.


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My feelings exactly. The high of Shane Aj and the Hardy return really made the fact that the rest of the show was just good seem worse in the moment.


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[TheShizNo1]

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The three (or at least two of the three) Wrestlemania main event matches were pretty much the worst or the "bad/cons" of the card. I agree that the lows shouldn't discredit the highs but I have difficult time saying it was an overall good card when your main event matches didn't deliver. Just me, though.

[cima]

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I thought Goldberg/Lesnar was one of the better 4 minute matches and it told a great story.

I was so bored of Orton/Wyatt and hopefully all the people who were whining about the WWE title match not going on last will see why now. These guys have terrible in-ring chemistry, glad their feud is (hopefully) over.

Taker/Reigns wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. There were botches here and there, but come on now, who didn't know this was or at least maybe thought this is Taker's last match? I was distracted knowing it was his last match and it made the match more enjoyable because I wasn't super focused on all the botches. The ending wasn't bad either, it just seemed that way because the crowd wasn't into it and didn't want Roman to win. I thought it was a good re-telling of HBK/Flair in its own way. I thought for sure Roman turned heel once he did the massacre of chair shots but I guess not?

[Bard]

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Alrighty, Bard review time.

Cruiserweight match was perfect to simply put it. I thought for sure Aries was going to win, and take the title...But they gave us a little something more. They gave continuation of a feud, and of a character. Neville went after that repaired eye of A-Double, and finished him off like a good heel would. These two put on a hell of a match with some cool spots, perfect way to open the show. 8/10

Battle Royal was just weird, I'm okay with Mojo winning and Gronk getting involved...But why Jinder? They had Strowman look very strong, and easily toss out Big Show early, but just for him to get dumped out by 10+ superstars? No thanks. That was it for Braun Strowman for the night as well, just did not go over well with me. 2/10

Corbin should have won the Intercontinental championship, that is all I have to say about that. Ridiculous to keep the title on Ambrose, who is the most desperate person for a heel turn right now...Not Roman Reigns. The guy has been an absolute bore to me ever since he was broken away from The Shield. Everything he does is not good just to be nice about it. His in-ring skills are not good, he is predicable, and his mic work is shotty at best. He has always been my least favorite of The Shield, and tonight he really didn't stand out...At all. He shouldn't have that title because he lowers the value of it by holding it. I don't want to go back and watch some Indy promo from 8 years ago, because since he has been in WWE he has been mediocre. 3/10

Shane McMahon and AJ Styles. What a match. Shane and AJ had no business sharing a ring, but Shane looked well trained, and in great shape. These two likely put on the match of the night, but the lack of a motive to this match is what brings it down for me. They put on a great opener to the main card, and got everyone jazzed, but I hope this leads to AJ either going to Raw or him defeating Randy Orton for the WWE Championship. 6/10

The old best friends, Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho...Drink it in maaaannnn. They put on a solid match, and did everything they needed to do. This was the best storyline coming into Mania in my opinion, and they delivered. Owens busted out some moves we haven't seen in awhile, and Jericho was good ole Y2J. Owens winning the US title only enhances it right now, and now let's get some fresh feuds going. 9/10

Fatal Four Way elimination matches are always hard to work, and this one was no different. Nia Jax looked like a monster, and it took all of the three top Raw Women to defeat her. Well done, good start. Sasha was an odd choice to have eliminated next, but Charlotte did it in heel fashion by knocking her out...But the turnbuckle didn't look that exposed, so it was weak. Bayley gave Charlotte a legit loss to end it...With an elbow? Okay, that is now in Bayley's arsenal, but why make that a match ending move at Mania at all times? Odd timing, and back to back odd eliminations to end it. 4/10

I could just say the Hardy Boyz are back, and give this a 10/10, but I won't because I'm not biased! I thought it was obvious New Day were coming down, so something had to be up...Then we got to see the Broken Hardy Boyz come on down that ramp. I marked out like a small child when that music hit, and when they WON THE RAW TAG TEAM TITLES! They actually gave it to them, crazy. It was a pretty decent four team ladder match, weak in all, but the ladder Twist of Fate and Jeff's mega Swanton Bomb made it awesome. All things considered, 7/10.

John Cena and Nikki Bella are now engaged. Cute. The match wasn't good, Miz was the face due to the fans being nitwits. The fans really ruined a great moment here, thanks you asshats. The engagement gets a teary 8/10 but the match gets a 2/10.

Unsanctioned matches have pinfalls? Thought they were KO for some reason. However, it wasn't good. Seth was selling both knees, because Triple H was going after the wrong knee for the majority of the match. It wasn't that hardcore, except for Stephanie taking that sick bump through the table and smacking her head. But Rollins doing all his normal moves, and top rope manuevers really made this match intolerable. I couldn't enjoy it no matter how hard I tried. I mean he ended the match by landing on his freaking knees that are injured, and have been worked on all match with the Pedirgree. Just no. 2/10

Sigh. They must not think highly of Bray Wyatt, huh? What a waste of a match, and a build. Nothing exciting happened, and they made Bray just look like a creep. Orton didn't need this, how are you supposed to build young talent when you keep doing this bull****? I just don't understand their logic here, they could have had Bray just destroy Orton or have Rowan show up, but nope. 1/10.

Goldberg and Brock was fun. It contained of four moves, yes this number = 4. However, this is exactly what I wanted at XX. Literally I just wanted to see these two beat the living hell out of each other, and for Brock to become a beast again. Brock being Universal Champion is a good thing right now, because at the moment Raw has a few people that can bring him to solid matches. Hello Roman and Joe. 7/10.

That Women's Title match for Smackdown was just weird. Why did the have Bliss lose to Naomi of the plan was for Naomi to win the belt at Mania? Could have gave Bliss a longer reign instead of two short ones. Whatever, the match wasn't good either so why bother putting in effort on figuring it out when they don't even care. 3/10

The Undertaker is retired. Roman Reigns has retired The Undertaker. Now I know people are upset, but the Deadman is 50 years old guys, he isn't going to be wanting to be out classed by AJ Styles, he isn't going to want to be brutalized by Braun Strowman, him and Cena would have been cool, but #engaged. Roman was the best choice available, but botches don't help the fact it was a sloppy match. Roman did the best he could with the final being of The Undertaker, but that was Takers fault he couldn't flip all the way for Roman... I mean try to deadlift up a very heavy old man, it isn't easy without help. The spear spot was solid, the last ride made me feel bad for Taker, the tombstone spot made me feel bad for both men, Roman sold that armbar that Undertaker wanted to be Hell's Gate so bad, and Roman beat the Deadman down with chair shots and Spears. Rest in Peace Undertaker, you deserve it. Now let's see where Roman goes from here. 5/10


Overall, it was a very good card that didn't meet up with expectations for myself. I would give this Mania a C- especially after that D- to F show last year.

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[Rocky]

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I thought Lesnar vs. Goldberg was pretty great. I kinda knew what to expect going in, but it exceeded my expectations. Not every match can be a 40 minute wrestling seminar and this match had some great moments.

Goldberg looked excellent and that spear jump by Lesnar literally got everybody off there seats where I was watching it.

[DJ]

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The three (or at least two of the three) Wrestlemania main event matches were pretty much the worst or the "bad/cons" of the card. I agree that the lows shouldn't discredit the highs but I have difficult time saying it was an overall good card when your main event matches didn't deliver. Just me, though.

Thought for sure this show would've been downgraded more for having Mojo win the Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal.

[TheMatrix31]

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What was the story though? Guy who got railed twice finally had a match with that guy that was longer than a minute that he somehow managed to win this time even though his opponent did the same moves (and only the same moves) that put him away in twenty seconds the times prior and won the title from someone who never should have had it in the first place and oh by the way this guy shouldn't either?

I understand some NXT/outside guys have been successful. That's not my point. It's hollow success that is rendered unimportant by decisions to elevate those who have no business being elevated at this stage. The inability for those names to actually be put in a position to become household names. Lasting, legitimate impact. Then they get blamed for never catching fire. Well no **** if this is how you reward the guys carrying your show week to week. Reigns has main-evented three Wrestlemanias in a row. Sure. This last one was worthless and not about him. Last year's was boring and unremarkable. The year before is remembered for a cash-in.

I actually like Reigns. This is not about him at all.

But I'm a big picture guy and the big picture question I posed earlier is not being answered.

Why are we supposed to care?

[Rocky]

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Also, the Wyatt vs. Orton match wasn't bad in itself, but it was one of those matches that needed some kind of swerve at the end. When Orton won, it was kinda like "that's it?"

I would've definitely had the lights go out and Strowman, Rowan, and Harper standing at the ropes. Bray is shocked and Randy hits the RKO. Then after Orton leaves have the others beat down Wyatt.

[Bard]

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Also, the Wyatt vs. Orton match wasn't bad in itself, but it was one of those matches that needed some kind of swerve at the end. When Orton won, it was kinda like "that's it?"

I would've definitely had the lights go out and Strowman, Rowan, and Harper standing at the ropes. Bray is shocked and Randy hits the RKO. Then after Orton leaves have the others beat down Wyatt.

They just don't have the chemistry, which is fine, but the match was meh. Story wise it was a lot of fun, but for that to be their Mania payoff was not good.

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[TheMatrix31]

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These are main events at your biggest show. Supposedly the highest standard of your business. And they were terrible and meant nothing. A four minute world title match? A complete dud match featuring your Royal Rumble winner? A slow botchfest as your main main event which, admittedly, only went last because of the ending and not because of the feud itself?

What exactly told a casual fan that they should tune in going forward?

[Rocky]

Re: WRESTLEMANIA 33 - 4/2/17

What was the story though? Guy who got railed twice finally had a match with that guy that was longer than a minute that he somehow managed to win this time even though his opponent did the same moves (and only the same moves) that put him away in twenty seconds the times prior and won the title from someone who never should have had it in the first place and oh by the way this guy shouldn't either?

I understand some NXT/outside guys have been successful. That's not my point. It's hollow success that is rendered unimportant by decisions to elevate those who have no business being elevated at this stage. The inability for those names to actually be put in a position to become household names. Lasting, legitimate impact. Then they get blamed for never catching fire. Well no **** if this is how you reward the guys carrying your show week to week. Reigns has main-evented three Wrestlemanias in a row. Sure. This last one was worthless and not about him. Last year's was boring and unremarkable. The year before is remembered for a cash-in.

I actually like Reigns. This is not about him at all.

But I'm a big picture guy and the big picture question I posed earlier is not being answered.

Why are we supposed to care?

The Goldberg/Lesnar feud was always more about Lesnar than Goldberg. The fact that Goldberg has been so compelling since his return enhanced and prolonged the feud but this was always about Lesnar coming back for the one that had gotten away.

That leap over the spear was a seminal moment to me. It lets us know that there is truly only one Brock Lesnar. He almost exists in a sphere that everybody else on the roster doesnt (which is why I don't like putting the title on him but we'll see what they come up with). Cena is the biggest traditional star with Reigns coming up and Styles making his way as the pure wrestling lynchpin.

All four puts the WWE in a good place right now imo. The WWE might be TOO crowded at the top.

You have:
Lesnar, Cena

Reigns, Styles

Jericho, HHH

Wyatt, Rollins, Orton, Ambrose, Owens, Braun