WWE 2K14 Attributes Thread

[Hooe]

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I am planning on doing the same style of wrestler re-rates which I performed last year with WWE 13.

There may be one or two of you who remember what I did, but for those who don't: I basically abandoned the default ratings entirely and re-rated every wrestler by assigning him what I felt were the defining traits of the style of his in-ring character. Each trait then corresponded to a particular set of attribute increases, which were applied to base ratings generated from weight class to generate new attributes for each wrestler. The idea was to spread the ratings and make the differences between the wrestlers in the game more pronounced; the median rating for any given category was around 75, with values ranging from 95 (self-imposed cap) to the low 20s in some extreme cases.

If anyone is interested, I can happily share that again once I've got it in a state I'm happy with (and with more explanation as to how it works, as well; I sort of posted it and forgot about it last year as I didn't spend much time with last year's game, and unfortunately left a few curious people in the cold; sorry about that!).

[SmashMan]

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I'd be interested, CM Hooe.

[SoundTheAlarm]

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I sort of posted it and forgot about it last year as I didn't spend much time with last year's game, and unfortunately left a few curious people in the cold; sorry about that!).

Yes, CM Hooe... I'm still shivering over here!! good to see you back again this year. Hope it holds your interest a little longer this time.




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[NYBorn81]

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Looking forward to it CM Hooe.

[Ice_Cold345]

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I am planning on doing the same style of wrestler re-rates which I performed last year with WWE 13.

There may be one or two of you who remember what I did, but for those who don't: I basically abandoned the default ratings entirely and re-rated every wrestler by assigning him what I felt were the defining traits of the style of his in-ring character. Each trait then corresponded to a particular set of attribute increases, which were applied to base ratings generated from weight class to generate new attributes for each wrestler. The idea was to spread the ratings and make the differences between the wrestlers in the game more pronounced; the median rating for any given category was around 75, with values ranging from 95 (self-imposed cap) to the low 20s in some extreme cases.

If anyone is interested, I can happily share that again once I've got it in a state I'm happy with (and with more explanation as to how it works, as well; I sort of posted it and forgot about it last year as I didn't spend much time with last year's game, and unfortunately left a few curious people in the cold; sorry about that!).

I loved your rosters because of that "class" system each wrestler got, it at least tried to make WWE 13 more playable than it was at many points.

[Buckeyed]

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Does this year's game have the same issue as last year? I recall no matter how low you dropped the rating they could only have as low as 500 "hit points". This created no real seep ratio from the top tier guys because the max was only 750 or so.

[cedwebb]

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Ok guys, here is what I am seeing after watching more cpu v cpu matches using the attribute drops I posted earlier plus now taking down the defensive attributes in the same manner and speed in a different manner.

Dropping the defensive attributes is causing the wrestlers to sell more of the moves and act more hurt causing better overall match build up in my opinion. The speed I have dropped all super heavy weights down to under 5, heavy weights to 5-10 based on their initial speed. Cruiser weights to 10-15 and the smallest guys to 15 - 20. To me the lower the speed the better the pace of the match. It just slows things down and that was really my major. Goal with the re ratings. I have yet to see anyone beat anyone that is out of the ordinary.

My last match was a good example of what I am seeing. Taker v Santino. The match went 5 1/2 minutes ending when Taker decided enough was enough. Thus match featured Santino dishing out as much as he could, even cutting open the dead man. Santino gave him everything he had, even hitting his signature and finisher within the short match (was on normal btw). As soon as Taker kicked out of Santino finisher he made real shirt work of him. Taker hit a side suplex followed by his flip clothesline which got a near fall. Right after he dramatic 2 count Taker put him into the tombstone and it was lights out.

This match is a for sure win for Taker in real life and in this match it seemed just the same but also showcased what Santino can do in the ring which is what I am looking for. To be honest it is my opinion that this game is a very good game and it would be harder to mess it up than to not. It is so much improved over last years game in the cpu v cpu matches, it is night and day. I am really pleased with what I have been seeing. No weird cpu antics, no constant throwing guys out to try to hit the OMG moment, none of that stuff. So far just really good A.I. and really great matches.

[Steven547]

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Ok guys, here is what I am seeing after watching more cpu v cpu matches using the attribute drops I posted earlier plus now taking down the defensive attributes in the same manner and speed in a different manner.

Dropping the defensive attributes is causing the wrestlers to sell more of the moves and act more hurt causing better overall match build up in my opinion. The speed I have dropped all super heavy weights down to under 5, heavy weights to 5-10 based on their initial speed. Cruiser weights to 10-15 and the smallest guys to 15 - 20. To me the lower the speed the better the pace of the match. It just slows things down and that was really my major. Goal with the re ratings. I have yet to see anyone beat anyone that is out of the ordinary.

My last match was a good example of what I am seeing. Taker v Santino. The match went 5 1/2 minutes ending when Taker decided enough was enough. Thus match featured Santino dishing out as much as he could, even cutting open the dead man. Santino gave him everything he had, even hitting his signature and finisher within the short match (was on normal btw). As soon as Taker kicked out of Santino finisher he made real shirt work of him. Taker hit a side suplex followed by his flip clothesline which got a near fall. Right after he dramatic 2 count Taker put him into the tombstone and it was lights out.

This match is a for sure win for Taker in real life and in this match it seemed just the same but also showcased what Santino can do in the ring which is what I am looking for. To be honest it is my opinion that this game is a very good game and it would be harder to mess it up than to not. It is so much improved over last years game in the cpu v cpu matches, it is night and day. I am really pleased with what I have been seeing. No weird cpu antics, no constant throwing guys out to try to hit the OMG moment, none of that stuff. So far just really good A.I. and really great matches.

Did you use the same re-rating method for the speed and defense attributes?

[cedwebb]

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Did you use the same re-rating method for the speed and defense attributes?

Defense yes, speed I did 1-5 for Super heavy, 5-10 for heavy, 10-15 for cruiser, 15-20 for smaller. For instance HHH speed is a 80/85 so I put him at 8.

[cedwebb]

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Had 3 matches which were awesome and maybe tell you all where this game is at. So I put Bundy v Hart, Hart is rated 67 overall and Bundy a 59. Hart looks better ratings wise but he could not handle the power of Bundy. Hart kicked out on Bundy probably 8 times in this match but Bundy just kept on him and eventual all got the 3 count after 10 min of punishing Brett. Was cool to see the fight in Hart as he just would stay down. The way Bundy had to beat on hart fir 10 min to get the win made this believable for me which is why I thought it was pretty cool. Interesting fact is Bundy has a hit point ratio of 650 to Harts 600.

So the next match I out HHH up against Bundy. This match was HHH taking it to Bundy. He was able to keep Bundy off him and HHH was able to pull off power moves like slamming Bundy where Hart just couldn't do that. HHH gets the win after a great performance. Saw lots of power moves and watching Bundy get slammed by HHH was pretty cool. HHH has a hit point ratio of 650 as well.

Here is the great point for me as it shows that certain match-ups regardless of ratings just in favor of one versus another which really makes match making fun. HHH v Hart - Hart against HHH looked like a different guy and looked way more in his comfort zone than he did v Bundy. Hart was out wrestling HHH for mist if the match really taking the fight to HHH. When HHH was getting beat for the majority of the match he tried to take it outside the ring which just backfired when Hart decided to follow him. Hart went outside and continued to take the fight to HHH and then pile drives him onto the floor. Shortly after re entering the ring HHH put Hart into the pedigree only for Brett to reverse it. Was awesome to see that and shortly after Brett gets the pin.

This game to me is playing an amazing game of cpu v cpu and it is even better when depending on the matchup, guys perform better or worse. This makes the game for me.

[Hooe]

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Upon request, attached to this post is a file containing my WWE 2K14 re-rates. It includes ratings for every current and legend Superstar and Diva on-disc, every DLC Superstar and Diva, every NXT Superstar and Diva, and a large number of Superstars and Divas not included on the game, some of which may be found in Community Creations.

How it works is behind spoilers below:

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For each wrestler, I start by choosing the wrestler's weight class. This is determined by looking at the maximum ratings for the wrestler in-game at the edit wrestler screen; for example, outside of Universe mode, the maximum strength rating of Heavyweight wrestlers is always 90. These attribute caps per weight class are factored into the document as well.

Second, I choose two style prototypes for each wrestler. These set the baseline attributes for the wrestler. If two different prototypes are chosen, the two baselines are averaged together with a 60-40 weighting in favor of the first prototype. Some example prototypes include: Balanced, Offense (more attack power at expense of reversals), Defense (better reversals at expense of attack power), Brawler (strike attack power and strike reversals at the expense of grapple attack power and reversals), Grappler (grapple and submission attack power at expense of strike attack power and reversals). The complete list of prototypes is available on the Prototypes tab of the document.

Third, I choose up to five traits for each wrestler. Traits have the greatest influence in defining the wrestler's relative strengths and weaknesses. The majority traits are purely positive (they only increase ratings), but many offer benefits and drawbacks (for example, the "Giant" trait increases attacking power, durability, and toughness at a but also conveys penalties to speed, agility, adrenaline, recovery, and jumping). In addition, of the five traits assigned, the ratings impact of the first assigned trait is tripled, and the impact of the second assigned trait is doubled. The complete lists of assignable traits is available on the Traits tab of the document.

Side note - prototypes and traits also are responsible for each wrestler's hit point ratios calculations. Two of the seven total trait slots are reserved for Injury traits, which greatly modify the hit points ratio calculations. For example, Shawn Michaels is granted the "Injury - Body" trait due to his history with back injuries, and this reduces his Body hit points percentage from 28 to 19 (the lost points are evenly distributed to the other body parts).

The last user-modifiable field for each wrestler is the Push category. This is a value ranging from 0 to 5 (inclusive). The value is added onto each attribute category for that wrestler with varying weights for each attribute; it most heavily influences the Charisma value (weight of 2.25), but it also has a significant effect on Toughness and Durability (weight of 2). For all other attributes, the Push value has a weight of 1; that is, it is simply added to the subtotal calculated from the prototype and trait value lookups.

Also worth noting is a value which is not user-modifiable: the "%" column. This value is calculated by first averaging the wrestler's raw attributes with a weighted average of the wrestler's attributes (the weighted average is roughly equivalent to the weighting of each attribute in determining the wrestler's OVR rating in the game). The average of these two values is then spread over a normal distribution; the best average becomes 100%, the worst becomes 0%, and all other wrestlers fall somewhere in between on that scale. This value is purely a reference value - it doesn't map to the in-game OVR rating and should not be plugged into your game in any fashion - but it is using for determining where each wrestler is rated relative to one another.

The very last thing worth mentioning - the maximum value allowed purely by the ratings calculations for most attributes is 95. Charisma is allowed to reach 100 for any male wrestler, Toughness is allowed to reach 100 for Heavyweight and Super Heavyweight wrestlers, and Durability is allowed to reach 100 for Super Heavyweight wrestlers.

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These ratings are intended for playing the game as a user against AI-controlled opponents; presumably it will also work fine for user-vs-user, but it is untested for AI-vs-AI. Current sliders and settings included behind next spoiler:

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Difficulty - Legend
Reversal Damage - On
Adrenaline - On
Weight Detection - On
Blood - On
Reversal Button Prompt Display - Off
Reversal Timing Text Indicators - Off

A.I. Standing Strike Reversal Rate - 4
A.I. Standing Grapple Reversal Rate - 4
A.I. Ground Strike Reversal Rate - 6
A.I. Ground Grapple Reversal Rate - 6
A.I. Finisher Reversal Rate - 10
A.I. Foreign Object Reversal Rate - 7

Finisher Strength - 15
Foreign Object Strength - 15

Balancing Standing Strike Reversal Rate - 5
Balancing Standing Grapple Reversal Rate - 5
Balancing Ground Strike Reversal Rate - 8
Balancing Ground Grapple Reversal Rate - 8
Balancing Finisher Reversal Rate - 10
Balancing Foreign Object Reversal Rate - 10
Balancing Momentum Gained From Attacks - 5
Balancing Momentum Gained From Taunts - 10
Balancing Adrenaline Consumption Rate - 20

Also, don't take these as gospel; if you feel I've rated someone incorrectly, please send me a PM with how you think that Superstar's ratings should be changed. A few of these guys - example, Big John Studd - I've never seen in a wrestling ring, ever; I was brought up on The New Generation and The Attitude Era, haha. Do note that all recent wrestlers are rated with respect to how they currently perform / most recently performed; for example, Edge was indeed part of great tag team with Christian, but his Rated-R Superstar character was not known for tag team wrestling excellence, so I chose to focus on other attributes instead when assigning him traits.

Finally, if you want to see a Superstar or Diva added to the file, PM me about that as well; if it's a TNA / ROH / indie / hasn't-been-in-WWE-or-WCW guy, you may have to also shoot me some details about how that wrestler performs and what his signature moves are.

As always, constructive feedback is welcome and appreciated, and if you choose to use this I hope you enjoy it!

[dman08]

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Ok I gotta ask how did u come up w Daniel Bryan and cm punk's attributes? In particular their submission att. I'm looking at Alberto del Rio and he still has his 95 submission. Daniel Bryan should be on par w him since they are the 2 best at submissions. Punk shouldn't be far behind either. Also Daniel Bryan doesn't shine anywhere outside of charisma. That doesn't translate since he arguably is the best technical wrestler in the company today. Not tryna come off offensive or anything just giving my input

[Hooe]

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Ok I gotta ask how did u come up w Daniel Bryan and cm punk's attributes? In particular their submission att. I'm looking at Alberto del Rio and he still has his 95 submission. Daniel Bryan should be on par w him since they are the 2 best at submissions. Punk shouldn't be far behind either. Also Daniel Bryan doesn't shine anywhere outside of charisma. That doesn't translate since he arguably is the best technical wrestler in the company today. Not tryna come off offensive or anything just giving my input

None taken!

I way I saw Daniel Bryan (from a kayfabe perspective) was that he was an incredibly popular and undersized but durable underdog in WWE first, technical wrestler second. He's not going to win tests of strength against the vast majority of the roster. I didn't see technical as necessarily referring to only submissions, but also those well-versed at more complex suplexes and slams. Bryan was one of the harder guys to really get anywhere close to acceptable in the confines of this system, to be honest.

With Punk (again looking from a kayfabe perspective), I was targeting popularity, ability to endure long matches, and a well-rounded skill set. Punk used to use the Anaconda Vise as his finisher, yes, but he's more known in WWE now for his striking, if you were to ask me.

[dman08]

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Ok fair enough. I can see where ur coming from. I think d Bryan should be at least a lil bit higher in submissions just so that he stands out at something besides charisma. He is the best wrestler in the company

[dman08]

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Ok fair enough. I can see where ur coming from. I think d Bryan should be at least a lil bit higher in submissions just so that he stands out at something besides charisma. He is the best wrestler in the company