WWE 2K14 Attributes Thread

[Colts18]

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I am working on my WWE 2K14 roster edits. I am looking to make sure all of the Undertakers in the game are different.

How do they differ? In ring style. I know Bad *** used strikes and submissions more. Other than that, I am stuck

Current Taker
Bad *** Taker
Lord Of Darkness Taker
Purple Gloves Taker when he wrestled the fake Taker

[SmashMan]

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Ok I gotta ask how did u come up w Daniel Bryan and cm punk's attributes? In particular their submission att. I'm looking at Alberto del Rio and he still has his 95 submission. Daniel Bryan should be on par w him since they are the 2 best at submissions. Punk shouldn't be far behind either.

You could also make the case that if these ratings are based on current WWE (while also not ignoring a wrestler's entire body of work), Daniel Bryan is more of a striker than a submission-style wrestler. He's even phasing out the Yes Lock in favor of the flying knee. We know he's great at submissions, but he's not really utilizing it right now - same with Punk. By comparison, Del Rio's offense as of now is very heavy on attacking the arm to set up the submission.

I guess it depends if you're looking at this more as what the wrestler has the potential to do vs. how he's currently competing.

That being said, the disparity between the two (Bryan & Del Rio) does stand out in terms of pure numbers, but I'd have to play the game and see how the numbers apply to really judge if it's off or not.

[Yung AJ24]

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I've updated my attributes to be realistic but idk if ya'll would want em, ya'll might have better ones

[Steven547]

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I've updated my attributes to be realistic but idk if ya'll would want em, ya'll might have better ones

I'd like to take a look at them if you don't mind.

[TheBleedingRed21]

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None taken!

I way I saw Daniel Bryan (from a kayfabe perspective) was that he was an incredibly popular and undersized but durable underdog in WWE first, technical wrestler second. He's not going to win tests of strength against the vast majority of the roster. I didn't see technical as necessarily referring to only submissions, but also those well-versed at more complex suplexes and slams. Bryan was one of the harder guys to really get anywhere close to acceptable in the confines of this system, to be honest.

With Punk (again looking from a kayfabe perspective), I was targeting popularity, ability to endure long matches, and a well-rounded skill set. Punk used to use the Anaconda Vise as his finisher, yes, but he's more known in WWE now for his striking, if you were to ask me.

On the topic of submission, Kurt Angle 85 seem low? I feel he should be maybe 90 since he was known for his ankle lock. Maybe I am giving too much credit since he was one of my favorite guys.

Just curious what you think man, cannot wait to try your edits.

[Steven547]

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Upon request, here's a link to my WWE 2K14 re-rates. It includes ratings for every wrestler on-disc, every DLC wrestler, and a few created wrestlers I've downloaded from Community Creations.

How it works is behind spoilers below:

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For each wrestler, I start by choosing the wrestler's weight class. This is determined by looking at the maximum ratings for the wrestler in-game at the edit wrestler screen; for example, outside of Universe mode, the maximum strength rating of Heavyweight wrestlers is always 90. These attribute caps per weight class are factored into the document as well.

Second, I choose two style prototypes for each wrestler. These set the baseline attributes for the wrestler. If two different prototypes are chosen, the two baselines are averaged together with a 60-40 weighting in favor of the first prototype. Some example prototypes include: Balanced, Offense (more attack power at expense of reversals), Defense (better reversals at expense of attack power), Brawler (strike attack power and strike reversals at the expense of grapple attack power and reversals), Grappler (grapple and submission attack power at expense of strike attack power and reversals). The complete list of prototypes is available on the Prototypes tab of the document.

Third, I choose up to five traits for each wrestler. Traits have the greatest influence in defining the wrestler's relative strengths and weaknesses. The majority traits are purely positive (they only increase ratings), but many offer benefits and drawbacks (for example, the "Giant" trait increases attacking power, durability, and toughness at a but also conveys penalties to speed, agility, adrenaline, recovery, and jumping). In addition, of the five traits assigned, the ratings impact of the first assigned trait is tripled, and the impact of the second assigned trait is doubled. The complete lists of assignable traits is available on the Traits tab of the document.

Side note - prototypes and traits also are responsible for each wrestler's hit point ratios calculations. Two of the seven total trait slots are reserved for Injury traits, which greatly modify the hit points ratio calculations. For example, Shawn Michaels is granted the "Injury - Body" trait due to his history with back injuries, and this reduces his Body hit points percentage from 28 to 19 (the lost points are evenly distributed to the other body parts).

The last user-modifiable field for each wrestler is the Push category. This is a value ranging from 0 to 5 (inclusive). The value is added onto each attribute category for that wrestler with varying weights for each attribute; it most heavily influences the Charisma value (weight of 2.25), but it also has a significant effect on Toughness and Durability (weight of 2). For all other attributes, the Push value has a weight of 1; that is, it is simply added to the subtotal calculated from the prototype and trait value lookups.

Also worth noting is a value which is not user-modifiable: the "%" column. This value is calculated by first averaging the wrestler's raw attributes with a weighted average of the wrestler's attributes (the weighted average is roughly equivalent to the weighting of each attribute in determining the wrestler's OVR rating in the game). The average of these two values is then spread over a normal distribution; the best average becomes 100%, the worst becomes 0%, and all other wrestlers fall somewhere in between on that scale. This value is purely a reference value - it doesn't map to the in-game OVR rating and should not be plugged into your game in any fashion - but it is using for determining where each wrestler is rated relative to one another.

The very last thing worth mentioning - the maximum value allowed purely by the ratings calculations for any given attribute is 95. Anywhere where a wrestler has a rating of 100 is my taking a bit of creative license. Feel free to ignore these overrides if you'd like by assuming all 100s are actually 95s. There are three hand-tailored 100 ratings in the document: the Toughness ratings of Stone Cold Steve Austin and Undertaker, and the Charisma rating of Hulk Hogan.

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These ratings are intended for playing the game against AI opponents. I'm currently playing on Legend difficulty; I don't remember my exact sliders at the moment, but I do know I reduced reversal frequency and momentum charge rate and also increased finisher damage. I'll modify this post to include exact slider values the next time I boot the game up.

Also, don't take these as gospel; if you feel I've rated someone incorrectly, please send me a PM with how you think that Superstar's ratings should be changed. A few of these guys - example, Big John Studd - I've never seen in a wrestling ring, ever; I was brought up on The New Generation and The Attitude Era, haha. Do note that all recent wrestlers are rated with respect to how they currently perform / most recently performed; for example, Edge was indeed part of great tag team with Christian, but his Rated-R Superstar character was not known for tag team wrestling excellence, so I chose to focus on other attributes instead when assigning him traits.

Finally, if you want to see a custom wrestler added to the sheet, PM me about that as well; if it's a TNA / ROH / indie / hasn't-been-in-WWE-or-WCW guy, you may have to also shoot me some details about how that wrestler performs and what his signature moves are.

Unfortunately, the functionality I had last year allowing for public modification of the custom wrestler slots is broken, but I'm working on fixing that and will open that up as soon as I can for you all to play around with if you'd like.

As always, constructive feedback is welcome and appreciated, and if you choose to use this I hope you enjoy it!

Now that I've had a chance to play this game again, here are my thoughts on these re-ratings.
I did a test with Undertaker and Santino, using the sliders on the first page of the slider thread.
I watched 5 matches (CPU vs CPU) with Undertaker vs Santino. The good is that Undertaker won all 5. Flow was pretty good as well.

One thing I would suggest, is to create more separation between the "main eventers" and the "jobbers". I also noticed that the REC attribute of Undertaker was in the 60's and Santino's was in the 80's. I think with Undertaker being as tough as he is, those ratings should basically be reversed.

I'm thinking that STRK, GRP, REC, DUR should also be based on the if the wrestler is a main eventer, mid carder, or jobber. This would help with the separation. Santino reverses quite a lot and because of that, if we leave the DEF attributes as is, then should maybe turn off the Reversal Damage option. I don't want a wrestler winning because he caused damage from reversing so much.

[theCP]

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Tried using the spreadsheet. It opens perfectly fine in Google Docs, but whenever I download it (either as .xlsx to open in Office 2010 or as .ods to open in OpenOffice) I get formula errors. Office gives me the error message "Excel found unreadable content in "WWE 2K14 Superstar Re-Ratings (OS).xlsx". Do you want to recover the contents of this workbook? If you trust the source of this workbook, click Yes."

Clicking Yes gives me "Excel was able to open the file by repairing or removing the unreadable content." This then opens the file with most of the cells showing properly, but the entire % column as well as rows for select superstars show "#N/A".

Anybody have any suggestions on how to fix this? I got the same error message when looking at the file from '13 a few months ago, but gave up.

[ILiveForThis]

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don't understand why you'd ever not have reversal damage on. not to bash anyone or the option, but it logically doesn't make sense.

you were to suplex me and that would do (x) amount of damage yet if I counter you, you'd want to take 0 damage? can someone sell this to me?

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[Steven547]

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don't understand why you'd ever not have reversal damage on. not to bash anyone or the option, but it logically doesn't make sense.

you were to suplex me and that would do (x) amount of damage yet if I counter you, you'd want to take 0 damage? can someone sell this to me?

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IMO, the damage should be relative to the move, not if you block a move. Using your example, if I was to suplex you, yes, I should inflict damage. However, if all you do is "block" the move, basically just stopping me from doing it, why should I suffer any damage? The damage should come from the move, not blocking.

In this game, I think the issue is that while it sounds good on paper, just like the limb damage, it's not implemented correctly. It's not like the person reversing the move is now suplexing the other person twice as hard. They are just performing a move.

Now, we're never going to get anyone from 2K to come in here and answer our questions, so of course this is all speculation. But this is the issue I saw from last year as year.

[Mercury112491]

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But most of the reversals this year flow right into moves. If you set reversal damage to 0 does that mean the Russian leg sweep performs as part of the counter does no damage?

[Steven547]

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But most of the reversals this year flow right into moves. If you set reversal damage to 0 does that mean the Russian leg sweep performs as part of the counter does no damage?

Not sure. From what I saw, some of the reversals are basically just blocks until you perform the move....there is a two step process basically. Reverse (block) then do the move.

I'm not a DEV so I can't confirm, etc...but that's just what I've seen so far.

[dman08]

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Ok these are starting to not make sense to me. I thought the point was to accurately separate wrestlers in this game. I'm looking at cm punk vs Santino and ur telling me that Santino recovers better than a main eventer and has equal charisma as punk? Maybe I'm not understanding ur formula or something.can you explain it using this example and maybe I'll understand if better. Explain cm punk vs Santino according to ur charts. I'm just tryna understand why Santino isn't lower than punk pretty much across the board

[Runne130]

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I was wondering with these attribute updates what sliders to u use

[Hooe]

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Ok these are starting to not make sense to me. I thought the point was to accurately separate wrestlers in this game. I'm looking at cm punk vs Santino and ur telling me that Santino recovers better than a main eventer and has equal charisma as punk? Maybe I'm not understanding ur formula or something.can you explain it using this example and maybe I'll understand if better. Explain cm punk vs Santino according to ur charts. I'm just tryna understand why Santino isn't lower than punk pretty much across the board

Punk is better than Santino pretty much across the board; he has better attacking power across the board, reverses better, can take more damage, and has equal charisma; they gain momentum meter at the same rate, but proceeding in a match this way isn't going to work out as well for Santino because he can't do as much damage, he's going to have to appeal to the crowd more to build the meter up to do his biggest moves, his signature and finisher. The only significant advantages Santino has are in the Adrenaline stat - he can run for a longer period of time, which means he could sustain a faster pace for a longer time - and in tag team maneuver damage, which I applied because Santino, while not necessarily a renowned tag wrestler, is used in tag matches far more extensively than Punk recently.

My biggest goal for the sheet is to differentiate guys to give different characters more significantly pronounced gameplay feels than the default roster provides, where most of the attributes are 85 or higher for every character.

On the topic of submission, Kurt Angle 85 seem low? I feel he should be maybe 90 since he was known for his ankle lock. Maybe I am giving too much credit since he was one of my favorite guys.

Just curious what you think man, cannot wait to try your edits.

I wanted to make sure Angle's grappling ability was well-represented, given that he was a former Olympic wrestler and also was well-known for his various suplexes (belly-to-belly, German, Angle Slam, to call out a few). If I give someone elite submission attacking power, a trade-off has to be made somewhere else; examples, Bret Hart and Alberto Del Rio, both are slower wrestlers with weaker grapple and striking power, so you'll really have to work the submissions to get the best use out of these guys.

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I've updated the original post to include the sliders I'm currently using. Adjust to match your gameplay style, but the basic idea is to reduce reversal frequency and make adrenaline matter as much as possible.

[dokoham]

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Steven547
will you do a excel file for 2k14 like 13

thanks.