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  • Serra11
    MVP
    • Mar 2008
    • 1127

    #16
    Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

    Originally posted by DC
    Damn, you are right. That slipped my mind.

    I added that to a wishlist I sent to them years ago too.
    I don't understand why it's so difficult for 2K to add weight detection to the Signatures, Finishers AND Hurracanranas!
    Boots..........To ASSES!!!!!!

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    • gbmbjj
      Rookie
      • Apr 2016
      • 400

      #17
      Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

      Originally posted by Serra11
      I don't understand why it's so difficult for 2K to add weight detection to the Signatures, Finishers AND Hurracanranas!
      This new Giant mechanic still is crud. It's a no win game.

      Either you have guys doing press slam finishers, or you have an entire match of eye rakes.

      Until they address archetypes that people like Studd and Andre can have; where they are siiiiiiignificanly slower, and can barely have ANY lifting moves done to them, it'll always be like this.

      Hey Hype/DC, do you know the actual threshold value for STRENGTH that will allow guys to NOT lift big guys?

      MY CAW Don Muraco is at an 85 and he is still lifting Andre. :/

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      • Serra11
        MVP
        • Mar 2008
        • 1127

        #18
        Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

        Originally posted by gbmbjj
        Hey Hype/DC, do you know the actual threshold value for STRENGTH that will allow guys to NOT lift big guys?

        MY CAW Don Muraco is at an 85 and he is still lifting Andre. :/
        In 2k23, my cap was 60 or 65 (I don't remember the precise number) and it worked perfectly.
        Boots..........To ASSES!!!!!!

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        • ted23
          Rookie
          • Aug 2003
          • 66

          #19
          Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

          wait a minute... WHERE are these settings?!? I do not recall seeing them anywhere and I've been messing with sliders the past week.

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          • Serra11
            MVP
            • Mar 2008
            • 1127

            #20
            Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

            Originally posted by gbmbjj
            Until they address archetypes that people like Studd and Andre can have; where they are siiiiiiignificanly slower, and can barely have ANY lifting moves done to them, it'll always be like this.
            There's nothing we can do about the archetypes but with the right moveset, you can re-create the second part of your statement.
            It's necessary to sacrifice some very common moves like snapmare and russin leg sweeps but I think it's worth it.
            Boots..........To ASSES!!!!!!

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            • gbmbjj
              Rookie
              • Apr 2016
              • 400

              #21
              Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

              Originally posted by Serra11
              There's nothing we can do about the archetypes but with the right moveset, you can re-create the second part of your statement.
              It's necessary to sacrifice some very common moves like snapmare and russin leg sweeps but I think it's worth it.
              Are you suggesting eliminating the snapmares and sweeps of everyone else? ...so they don't do them on Giants?

              Or eliminate them from the Giants? If so, I don't mind the Giants doing them, I just don't want them done on THEM.

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              • Serra11
                MVP
                • Mar 2008
                • 1127

                #22
                Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

                Originally posted by gbmbjj
                Are you suggesting eliminating the snapmares and sweeps of everyone else?
                This. I have not dug into this yet but in the past verions, Weight Modifier was not applied to those moves.
                So the only way to prevent Jim Brunzell from doing a leg sweep to Big John Studd is to remove it from the moveset...
                Boots..........To ASSES!!!!!!

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                • DC
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 17996

                  #23
                  Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

                  Another thing, I'm 100% sure the game does moves not in a wrestler's moveset

                  I created a moveset for 97 Eddie Guerrero and I DIDN'T give him a Springboard Dropkick but he somehow pulled one off in a match. Not the first time I've seen the CPU do this.
                  Concrete evidence/videos please

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                  • gbmbjj
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 400

                    #24
                    Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

                    Originally posted by DC
                    Another thing, I'm 100% sure the game does moves not in a wrestler's moveset

                    I created a moveset for 97 Eddie Guerrero and I DIDN'T give him a Springboard Dropkick but he somehow pulled one off in a match. Not the first time I've seen the CPU do this.
                    Interesting.

                    So you went in to the moveset and actually removed the move itself?

                    Maybe try keeping it as is, and just assign it to (forgot the terminology) but something like LOW CHANCE? (it's the click past LOW, which says "most likely will never use this move")

                    And then maybe set to "only once", along with END OF MATCH ONLY.

                    I'd be curious if that keeps it off the move list.

                    Maybe deleting it in the movesets causes some default something or other to kick in when you save?

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                    • DC
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 17996

                      #25
                      Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

                      I replaced the move with the Vaulting Body Press springboard move.

                      Not sure why he is still doing it.
                      Concrete evidence/videos please

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                      • gbmbjj
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 400

                        #26
                        Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

                        Originally posted by DC
                        I replaced the move with the Vaulting Body Press springboard move.

                        Not sure why he is still doing it.

                        What move in the moveset do you think is tied to "carrying?"


                        EDIT: Update, I simmed a tag match and changed all 4 wrestlers CARRY section to VERY LOW, and didn't see a single lift/carry the entire match. Hmmmmmm?

                        I think I'll go in and also change the ROPE REBOUND HIP TOSS to LOW and EARLY MATCH ONLY as well; because the AI seems to always go for a pin after a hiptoss, and I don't want the chance of that happening near the end of a match resulting in a pin.

                        These tendencies are certainly interesting and exciting.


                        EDIT: the pin attempt after every rope rebound hip toss is also very annoying. Ever notice?



                        I know there is a "carry" section, and it has 4 moves that come from the carry position; but I am looking to drastically cutdown on the initial lift, and walk to the corner/ropes. It happens just toooooooo much.
                        And sometimes as the very first move of the match. Ick.

                        I just selected all 4 moves in the "carry" section to VERY LOW. We'll see what that does.

                        Or am I missing a different section all together that can be tweaked?

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                        • gbmbjj
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 400

                          #27
                          Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

                          UPDATE: I just did a tag match with all 4 guys having their CARRY moves set to VERY LOW.

                          Not one of them did one the entire match.

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                          • DC
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 17996

                            #28
                            Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

                            Not sure if I shared this but LONG after the "Chain Wrestler Window" expires, I still see the CPU chain wrestling with eachother when I sim matches.
                            Concrete evidence/videos please

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                            • Emeraldjade
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2024
                              • 9

                              #29
                              Re: Anyone mess with "move tendencies?"

                              Originally posted by DC
                              Not sure if I shared this but LONG after the "Chain Wrestler Window" expires, I still see the CPU chain wrestling with eachother when I sim matches.
                              I've had this happen multiple times as well. Never towards the end of a match, but i've had workers briefly revisit Chain Wrestling sequences after spots done after the first set. I think it's great.

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