Jim Leavitt is probably getting fired

[countryboy]

Re: Jim Leavitt is probably getting fired

If his kid wants to play football, I would not be shocked @ all that he'd back off his comments to allow his 20yr old son to make his own decision. If the boy was younger, he'd probably hurl death threats @ Leavitt. But since he's old enough to make his own decisions, he'll back off.

And you just named the multiple sources. I don't know why you'd ask explanation of that.

If playing at USF means my son could possibly be assaulted by the coach, I think I'd pull him out of there and have him play elsewhere. I didn't realize there was cutoff age to where a father stopped trying to protect his children. And last time I checked, USF wasn't the only college, or D1 college, that has a football program.

And I already mentioned that the 5 players could be friends of the kid in question and backed him up without knowing what really happened. The way you stated it, I thought you had other sources than the ones already mentioned and discussed as to how they could have been "overexaggerating" as much as the kid and father. Thats why I asked for the explanation.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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If playing at USF means my son could possibly be assaulted by the coach, I think I'd pull him out of there and have him play elsewhere. I didn't realize there was cutoff age to where a father stopped trying to protect his children. And last time I checked, USF wasn't the only college, or D1 college, that has a football program.

And I already mentioned that the 5 players could be friends of the kid in question and backed him up without knowing what really happened. The way you stated it, I thought you had other sources than the ones already mentioned and discussed as to how they could have been "overexaggerating" as much as the kid and father. Thats why I asked for the explanation.

The kid is an adult. He can't force his son to do anything he doesn't want to do.

Also....


The article says they were "witnesses". Not hearsay. They saw what took place.

Leavitt also came back & requested a meeting to apologize, not coincidentaly after mangino was canned. What is there to apologize for if he didn't do anything?

[countryboy]

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The kid is an adult. He can't force his son to do anything he doesn't want to do.

your missing the point man. I didn't say that he could force his kid to transfer out of USF. But since the kid went up to his father and explained what had allegedly happened. Seems to me that if the father wanted his son to transfer out of there, the kid would do so.

Also....


The article says they were "witnesses". Not hearsay. They saw what took place.

What part of overexaggerating confuses you? They were called as witnesses because they say they saw what happened, but that doesn't mean they can't be exaggerating what they saw. The kid also knows what happened and guess what, he says that Leavitt did not hit him. Hmmm...

Leavitt also came back & requested a meeting to apologize, not coincidentaly after mangino was canned. What is there to apologize for if he didn't do anything?

I don't know, but apparently it wasn't to apologize for striking a player with his hand given the player who was supposedly assaulted said it didn't take place.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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your missing the point man. I didn't say that he could force his kid to transfer out of USF.

Uh, you did.

If playing at USF means my son could possibly be assaulted by the coach, I think I'd pull him out of there and have him play elsewhere.

But since the kid went up to his father and explained what had allegedly happened. Seems to me that if the father wanted his son to transfer out of there, the kid would do so.

The kid is an adult, he has his own dreams, own goals, it's his decision to make. Once that decision is made, as a father, you're likely to make the best of the situation to keep it from getting worse.

What part of overexaggerating confuses you? They were called as witnesses because they say they saw what happened, but that doesn't mean they can't be exaggerating what they saw.

Did I not earlier acknowledge what you said could have went down? I have serious, serious doubts. You're making assumptions. I'm not, beyond trusting the reporter was honest in his story. You're assuming that 5 other people each seperately felt the need to say the coach choked & hit a player twice. To me, you're ducking your head in the sand to play Devil's advocate.

The kid also knows what happened and guess what, he says that Leavitt did not hit him. Hmmm...

Which is not beyond belief a player would say that to keep from a result he considers worst. Do not wives deny getting beat by their husbands? Kids getting abused by parents? Do we think Neil Reed is the first player Bob Knight choked? Do we think that Clemson player was the first player Woody Hayes slugged? We've had stories from Lawrence & Ann Arbor where players are denying/corroborating.

People don't come clean all the time when they are being abused. They shrug it off, they deny. Cause they are afraid of the outcome. For them, the abuse is easier to bear.

I don't know, but apparently it wasn't to apologize for striking a player with his hand given the player who was supposedly assaulted said it didn't take place.

If you want to play Devil's advocate, go right ahead. He called the guy out of the blue to apologize for nothing. Right. Makes all the sense in the world. I'd like to apologize right now to all of the world for not doing anything to you.

[countryboy]

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Uh, you did.

Wrong...I said what I'd do. Never said this father could/would/should do the same.

The kid is an adult, he has his own dreams, own goals, it's his decision to make. Once that decision is made, as a father, you're likely to make the best of the situation to keep it from getting worse.

Again...his dreams can't be had at another University?

Did I not earlier acknowledge what you said could have went down? I have serious, serious doubts. You're making assumptions. I'm not, beyond trusting the reporter was honest in his story. You're assuming that 5 other people each seperately felt the need to say the coach choked & hit a player twice. To me, you're ducking your head in the sand to play Devil's advocate.

You're not making assumptions? LOL....so you were there when this all went down? You're trusting the reporter, I'm trusting the kid who this supposedly happened to. And I understand its 5 different people, you don't have to highlight that, but the fact that you acknowledge that what I said could have happened means well...that it could've happened and its not a "making the best out of a bad situation" as you are assuming. And maybe I am ducking my head in the sand, but I see no difference in that, than carrying a pitchfork ready to attack Leavitt, when nobody outside that locker room knows exactly what happened.

Which is not beyond belief a player would say that to keep from a result he considers worst. Do not wives deny getting beat by their husbands? Kids getting abused by parents? Do we think Neil Reed is the first player Bob Knight choked? Do we think that Clemson player was the first player Woody Hayes slugged? We've had stories from Lawrence & Ann Arbor where players are denying/corroborating.

Has Jim Leavitt been convicted of any wrong doing? And seriously, you're going to compare this to kids and wives/women being beaten? Going a bit extreme there aren't you to try and prove a point?

People don't come clean all the time when they are being abused. They shrug it off, they deny. Cause they are afraid of the outcome. For them, the abuse is easier to bear.

So now its abuse? Care to go any further to the extreme to state your opinion?

If you want to play Devil's advocate, go right ahead. He called the guy out of the blue to apologize for nothing. Right. Makes all the sense in the world. I'd like to apologize right now to all of the world for not doing anything to you.

I didn't say he didn't have anything to apologize for. Just that it may not be for the alleged, what did you call it, or yeah, abuse.

[lonewolf371]

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Miami and FSU have stricter academic standards than Florida. (See John Brown, Torrey Davis, Riley Cooper)

You do realize that more than a third of FSU's football team and 3/4s of the basketball team are "learning disabled", right? The national average is about 5-10 percent.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Wrong...I said what I'd do. Never said this father could/would/should do the same.

Dude, you did. My God, read your own posts. You put yourself in his situation & said you'd pull him out. Your suggesting that's what he should do brings w/it the belief that he has the ability to do it. CB can take his 20yd old out of college & put him on another team, but Mr. Miller can't. Just admit you spoke too quickly or phrased it wrong or whatever. But when you can't even own up to what is clearly posted for all to see makes having a reasonable adult convo impossible.

Again...his dreams can't be had at another University?

They said he had scholarships elsewhere but he wanted to walk-on @ USF. So evidently, no.

You're not making assumptions? LOL....so you were there when this all went down? You're trusting the reporter, I'm trusting the kid who this supposedly happened to. And I understand its 5 different people, you don't have to highlight that, but the fact that you acknowledge that what I said could have happened means well...that it could've happened and its not a "making the best out of a bad situation" as you are assuming.

Your assumption is the kid exaggerated the incident. Then to gain sympathy for this imaginary assault, he went to his father, teammates, school staff, HS coach etc & weaved a tale so convincing, that not only do they believe it happened, a number of them now actually believe they saw it. In the meantime, Leavitt is so convinced it happened, instead of going ahead & denying it happened, he deflects all questions to recruiting. Refusing to say anything, period. The HS coach is so convinced, he's on record as saying he would not recommend any of his players play for Leavitt. So evidently you're under the assumption that USF's staff, teammates & a HS coach w/no relationship whatsoever w/each other, made up this assault charge surrounding Miller in order to carry out some scheme against USF's coach.

Your assumption is barely plausible. If Miller is this good, he should be a DA or a priest & get people to confess to some of anything in he's that convincing.

Has Jim Leavitt been convicted of any wrong doing? And seriously, you're going to compare this to kids and wives/women being beaten? Going a bit extreme there aren't you to try and prove a point?

Classic tactic to try & deflect from a weak argument. You know good & well why I used that analogy so stop w/the fake. If you can't figure out why I used that then I gave you more credit than what you deserved & wouldn't want to waste my time discussing it further. Let's be reasoning adults.

So now its abuse? Care to go any further to the extreme to state your opinion?

Choking & hitting in the face twice is not abuse? Would you care to go any further to the extreme in your opinion?

I didn't say he didn't have anything to apologize for. Just that it may not be for the alleged, what did you call it, or yeah, abuse.

Devil's advocate ducking his head into the sand again.

[countryboy]

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And with that...we're done here.

[TheMothman]

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I think it would take more than here-say to put a nail in Leavitt's coffin.

[djcorrosive]

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Lets be honest, USF is nothing more than a 4 year community college with Division 1 athletics.

Let's just be clear on this....USF athletic academic standards may be low, but USF has one of the most well-known medical schools in the entire nation, as well as a prestigious business school. Let's be honest....a trained monkey could get accepted at any of the state schools in FL...were not talking about Harvard here.

As for Leavitt...can't stand the guy. I appreciate all he did starting the program, but we need a coach who can take us to that next level. Leavitt is not that coach.

[dickey1331]

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Compare to US News and Report for Florida. Its Univ of Florida, Univ of Miami, Florida St, UCF and then USF http://education-portal.com/top_ten_...n_florida.html

[MrJackFlash]

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One of these days,one of these bigshot coaches is gonna try this with the wrong kid.

[lonewolf371]

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Let's just be clear on this....USF athletic academic standards may be low, but USF has one of the most well-known medical schools in the entire nation, as well as a prestigious business school. Let's be honest....a trained monkey could get accepted at any of the state schools in FL...were not talking about Harvard here.

As for Leavitt...can't stand the guy. I appreciate all he did starting the program, but we need a coach who can take us to that next level. Leavitt is not that coach.

UF is actually pretty good and has a lot of demand with its status as the best state school. It's not that simple to get in, and Florida isn't as university-rich as a lot of northern states considering their population.

Compare to US News and Report for Florida. Its Univ of Florida, Univ of Miami, Florida St, UCF and then USF http://education-portal.com/top_ten_...n_florida.html

Those rankings generally don't matter too much unless you're interested in graduate school. There might be a little difference, but most people with a degree were taught to do the same things.

[ryan36]

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So did they can this bastard yet?

[MassNole]

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You do realize that more than a third of FSU's football team and 3/4s of the basketball team are "learning disabled", right? The national average is about 5-10 percent.

Don't believe everything you see on ESPN.

Let's just be clear on this....USF athletic academic standards may be low, but USF has one of the most well-known medical schools in the entire nation, as well as a prestigious business school. Let's be honest....a trained monkey could get accepted at any of the state schools in FL...were not talking about Harvard here.

I didn't know USF had a medical school which tells me it surely isn't as good as you are making it out to be.

One of these days,one of these bigshot coaches is gonna try this with the wrong kid.

Before the 2003 Sugar Bowl FSU S Yohance Buchanan struck DC Mickey Andrews, he was thrown off the team that night.