The case for Boise....

[Watson]

Re: The case for Boise....

Boise was in control of all 3 of those games

Absolutely Wrong.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

Re: The case for Boise....

Yes they should. They went undefeated just like Bama did. Imagine if the roles were twisted here. Would you Bama fans argue you deserve a piece of the NC?

[AUChase]

Re: The case for Boise....

It's not going to happen, regardless...

If Auburn can't get a share of the National Title, with the resume they had in 2004.... Boise State won't get it now..

It's the system. If your expecting anything more from it, then you're wasting your time. You're going to see similar results as this year in and year out until the system undergoes some sort of change that prevents it.

Boise State, TCU, and your' other "BCS Busters" will be invited to BCS Conferences before we get the playoff system we want...

[MassNole]

Re: The case for Boise....

It's not going to happen, regardless...

If Auburn can't get a share of the National Title, with the resume they had in 2004.... Boise State won't get it now..

It's the system. If your expecting anything more from it, then you're wasting your time. You're going to see similar results as this year in and year out until the system undergoes some sort of change that prevents it.

Boise State, TCU, and your' other "BCS Busters" will be invited to BCS Conferences before we get the playoff system we want...

Difference is at the end of the 20004 season Auburn was arguably only the third best undefeated team behind USC and Utah.

[Cebby]

Re: The case for Boise....

Difference is at the end of the 20004 season Auburn was arguably only the third best undefeated team behind USC and Utah.

It's like you don't even realize how ridiculous you are.

[Rocky]

Re: The case for Boise....

It's not going to happen, regardless...

If Auburn can't get a share of the National Title, with the resume they had in 2004.... Boise State won't get it now..

It's the system. If your expecting anything more from it, then you're wasting your time. You're going to see similar results as this year in and year out until the system undergoes some sort of change that prevents it.

Boise State, TCU, and your' other "BCS Busters" will be invited to BCS Conferences before we get the playoff system we want...

I feel like Auburn should've gotten a split, so should Utah in 2004 and Boise St. in 2007. Utah last year should've won it outright.

[MassNole]

Re: The case for Boise....

It's like you don't even realize how ridiculous you are.

In 2003 we saw what happened when USC and Auburn played and it wasn't pretty. As much as Auburn fans don't want to believe it that is one helluva an indicator of what would have happened in 2004. That Utah team was really, really good as well. But then again most SEC fans don't believe schools from other conferences can stay within 30 points of Vanderbilt unless it's a fluke.

[Husker_OS]

Re: The case for Boise....

Boise was in control of all 3 of those games. They were never seriously theatened until TCU.

Not really. The La Tech game was a one score game in the 4th quarter just like the Tulsa game. And the game against an FCS opponent was wayyyyy too close for a team wanting to claim they're the best team at the FBS level.

[Cebby]

Re: The case for Boise....

In 2003 we saw what happened when USC and Auburn played and it wasn't pretty. As much as Auburn fans don't want to believe it that is one helluva an indicator of what would have happened in 2004.

On that I agree.

2003 was certainly an indicator of what happened when Auburn played LSU, UGA, and Old Miss.

It is also an indicator for Auburn going undefeated every season since 2004 and previous seasons are why Alabama has absolutely sucked the past two years.

That Utah team was really, really good as well.

Unlike Florida State fans, Auburn fans aren't terrified of Urban Meyer.

If Auburn could shut down a better offense in 2007 and a better team in 2006 with an inferior defense and no offense (compared to the offense with 8 or 9 NFL players), I'd assume Tuberville would have wrecked that Utah team.

[MassNole]

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USC walked into Auburn and walked out with their manhood with a first time starting QB. As much as you'd like to say that year made a difference for Auburn, largely that same USC team was a year older too and stars like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, and LenDale White weren't playing in their first game.

So would Auburn have wrecked Utah the same way Alabama did last year?

[khaled]

Re: The case for Boise....

Not really. The La Tech game was a one score game in the 4th quarter just like the Tulsa game. And the game against an FCS opponent was wayyyyy too close for a team wanting to claim they're the best team at the FBS level.

The Tulsa game was almost a loss. it was 4th down, a receiver is down field with no one around him, but the QB under throws, game over.

[Cebby]

Re: The case for Boise....

USC walked into Auburn and walked out with their manhood with a first time starting QB. As much as you'd like to say that year made a difference for Auburn, largely that same USC team was a year older too and stars like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, and LenDale White weren't playing in their first game.

LSU and UGA also destroyed Auburn in 2003.

LSU dominated Auburn much more than USC did in 2003.

So would Auburn have wrecked Utah the same way Alabama did last year?

What in the world is your obsession with this game?

I think you've used it to justify every mid major ever being better than the SEC champion.

More importantly, why is this game more indicative of SEC vs undefeated mid major than 2007 UGA vs Hawaii?

[jeremym480]

Re: The case for Boise....

More importantly, why is this game more indicative of SEC vs undefeated mid major than 2007 UGA vs Hawaii?

Like I said before "selective remembering".

[MassNole]

Re: The case for Boise....

LSU and UGA also destroyed Auburn in 2003.

LSU dominated Auburn much more than USC did in 2003.

What in the world is your obsession with this game?

I think you've used it to justify every mid major ever being better than the SEC champion.

More importantly, why is this game more indicative of SEC vs undefeated mid major than 2007 UGA vs Hawaii?

Because Utah and Boise State have been good for a while now, whereas Hawai'i was a flash in the pan. Likewise Hawai'i didn't beat anyone who was any good the entire season. This season BSU beat the god damned Pac 10 champion and last season Utah had beaten top 10 TCU.

Likewise the Utah game was contemporaneous to this season with Alabama having many of the same players this season as they had last season. I know SEC fans like the BCS because it has been designed to always benefit that one conference.

Going back to the 2003 games, USC and Auburn were both largely the same teams, other than the OC genius Al Borges. Whereas LSU and Georgia both lost significant players to graduation. So really not the same thing at all from USC who was more or less one year older. Though I guess to be fair they did lose Mike Williams, but I'd say the experience gained by Leinart, Bush, & Company offset that more than a little.

Like I said before "selective remembering".

That.....or substantial differences between 2004 Utah, 2008 Utah, and 2009 Boise State from 2007 Hawaii. But since it furthers the SEC agenda on this board that gets selectively ignored.

[AUChase]

Re: The case for Boise....

It may be my opinion, and it involves my own team but...

I just don't see the Auburn/USC matchup having the same result from 2003 if it was replayed for the National Championship in 2004. I wouldn't go as far as to say we would have won, but it wouldn't have had anywhere near the same result as in 2003..

MassNole, using your' logic.. team's with the same personell can't improve from year to year... am I missing something here ??


Utah was a very good team in 2004, and they could have made just as much of a case as Auburn did... I would have rather played them then Virginia Tech... ****ing funny how the debate continues 5 years later...