Heisman Talk

[Watson]

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1419 total yards, while completing 71.3% of his passes, while turning the ball over once and scoring 10 TDs in 3.15 games. Pedestrian.

Not to take anything away from him, which would be a lot, but he has yet to prove himself against the likes of tOSU, Penn St., Wiscy, Michigan St. and Iowa. When your highest quality team is Notre Dame, which was a 4 point win, it's a little hazy to judge this early.

I'm not saying those stats are pedestrian, they're certainly not, but i'm just reserving judgement until I see what he does vs. MSU/Iowa.

[Marino]

I am also going to throw Russell Wilson's name in the hat.

[WWF80sKid]

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Not to take anything away from him, which would be a lot, but he has yet to prove himself against the likes of tOSU, Penn St., Wiscy, Michigan St. and Iowa. When your highest quality team is Notre Dame, which was a 4 point win, it's a little hazy to judge this early.

I'm not saying those stats are pedestrian, they're certainly not, but i'm just reserving judgement until I see what he does vs. MSU/Iowa.

I don't think it should matter how much you beat a team, for the Heisman. It's an individual player's stats and gameplay, not his whole team. Although I'm sure there is judging going on for things that shouldn't matter. I too agree, it's way too early to say anyone is going to get the Heisman. But I think he can definitely be a good candidate. But we'll see. If Iowa, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and/or Ohio State shuts him down, it could be a different story.

The other thing is, some of those teams may destroy Michigan because of Michigan's defense, and Denard could still end up having outstanding games. Even if they lose, and he tears it up, I don't think he should have anything against him for the Heisman. Like I said, if the person plays well, whether his team plays well or not is irrelevant.

[Cebby]

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The other thing is, some of those teams may destroy Michigan because of Michigan's defense, and Denard could still end up having outstanding games. Even if they lose, and he tears it up, I don't think he should have anything against him for the Heisman. Like I said, if the person plays well, whether his team plays well or not is irrelevant.

That's what Tebow did. He had one bad game (Auburn), but because he played well against UGA and LSU the voters overlooked the losses.

However, if he plays well nobody should "destroy" Michigan. None of those teams have a very good defense.

[zippz]

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I don't think anyone outside of the SEC should win the Heisman. I also think the SEC Championship game should just be called the National Championship game. Also we should change the definition of "speed" to just read "SEC".

Speed
Equals
Championship

[dan_457]

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That's what Tebow did. He had one bad game (Auburn), but because he played well against UGA and LSU the voters overlooked the losses.

However, if he plays well nobody should "destroy" Michigan. None of those teams have a very good defense.

All of those teams are good on D (well, except MSU), and OSU always has a great D, so it's very possible one of those teams could shut down D-rob and The proceed to "destroy" Michigan because of their lackluster D. But then again maybe he's just that good. We'll find out soon enough.

[Cebby]

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All of those teams are good on D (well, except MSU), and OSU always has a great D, so it's very possible one of those teams could shut down D-rob and The proceed to "destroy" Michigan because of their lackluster D.

I guess we have different opinions on what qualifies for good.

[ImTellinTim]

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Not to take anything away from him, which would be a lot, but he has yet to prove himself against the likes of tOSU, Penn St., Wiscy, Michigan St. and Iowa. When your highest quality team is Notre Dame, which was a 4 point win, it's a little hazy to judge this early.

I'm not saying those stats are pedestrian, they're certainly not, but i'm just reserving judgement until I see what he does vs. MSU/Iowa.

No arguments here. I was just looking at his stats and it's just kind of like a video game. And even if it was on a video game, people would complain that it was cheesing, lol.

I'm just glad I get to watch him on my team and I hope he can stay healthy. I'm not crowning anyone yet. And as for your boy in your avatar. It's a lot cooler to strike the pose when the return actually solidifies your Heisman, not in Week 4

[dan_457]

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I guess we have different opinions on what qualifies for good.

lol Yeah, because the #1, #5, #16, and 18# OVR defenses as of now aren't good.

And saying OSU's and Iowa's Defense's aren't good is garbage. Both were top 10 Defense's last year and have no reason to believe they'd be anything less this year.

[Speedy]

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I don't think anyone outside of the SEC should win the Heisman. I also think the SEC Championship game should just be called the National Championship game. Also we should change the definition of "speed" to just read "SEC".

I'll assume this is sarcasm so I'll move on.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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lol Yeah, because the #1, #5, #16, and 18# OVR defenses as of now aren't good.

And saying OSU's and Iowa's Defense's aren't good is garbage. Both were top 10 Defense's last year and have no reason to believe they'd be anything less this year.

How dare you bring facts into this.

[VTPack919]

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At this point, and based on his career (meaning this isn't a fluke) Russell Wilson definitely deserves his name thrown around. I know that no one cares about NC State football but he is the lifeblood of the team and the main reason they are undefeated thus far.

[NC State-31 UNC-27]

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I am also going to throw Russell Wilson's name in the hat.

Thirded. But it will never happen. Maybe once NCSU knocks off Va Tech this weekend we'll hear the talk pick up though.

edit: 4th, actually

[Cebby]

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How dare you bring facts into this.

It's the fifth week of the season and given the Big 10's scheduling everyone has only played their creampuffs and one BCS team.

I mean, New Jersey is the #2 ranked defense right now.

Here are the opponents of your amazing rankings:

#5 Iowa: 1AA, Iowa St, Arizona, Ball St
#10 Penn St: 1AA, Alabama, Kent St, Temple
#17 Wisconsin: 1AA, UNLV, San Jose St, Arizona St
#21 Ohio St: Marshall, Miami, Ohio, EMU
#31 Michigan St: Western Michigan, FAU, Notre Dame, and 1AA

Iowa gave up 300 yards passing and 20 offensive points (with fewer possessions because of their defensive and ST TDs) against the only team with a pulse they played.

Penn St gave up 400+ yards and 24 points while Alabama was coasting against them.

Wisconsin gave up 380 to a team that may or may not be legit good on offense (they have stats, but anyone will get stats against 2 1AA games).

Ohio State probably has a good defense that will be overrated come BCS time.

Michigan St hasn't played a BCS team yet and let a 1-3 mid major drop 31 points and 460 yards on them.

Ohio State probably has a tough defense. Wisconsin and Iowa might, but almost certainly won't be as good as their rankings. Michigan St and Penn St are more than likely pretty bad.

Sure they all looked amazing against 1AA and MAC, but so does everyone else. When 5 teams combine to play 5 BCS conference teams it's obvious that their stats are going to be good.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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It's the fifth week of the season and given the Big 10's scheduling everyone has only played their creampuffs and one BCS team.

I mean, New Jersey is the #2 ranked defense right now.

Here are the opponents of your amazing rankings:

#5 Iowa: 1AA, Iowa St, Arizona, Ball St
#10 Penn St: 1AA, Alabama, Kent St, Temple
#17 Wisconsin: 1AA, UNLV, San Jose St, Arizona St
#21 Ohio St: Marshall, Miami, Ohio, EMU
#31 Michigan St: Western Michigan, FAU, Notre Dame, and 1AA

Iowa gave up 300 yards passing and 20 offensive points (with fewer possessions because of their defensive and ST TDs) against the only team with a pulse they played.

Penn St gave up 400+ yards and 24 points while Alabama was coasting against them.

Wisconsin gave up 380 to a team that may or may not be legit good on offense (they have stats, but anyone will get stats against 2 1AA games).

Ohio State probably has a good defense that will be overrated come BCS time.

Michigan St hasn't played a BCS team yet and let a 1-3 mid major drop 31 points and 460 yards on them.

Ohio State probably has a tough defense. Wisconsin and Iowa might, but almost certainly won't be as good as their rankings. Michigan St and Penn St are more than likely pretty bad.

Sure they all looked amazing against 1AA and MAC, but so does everyone else. When 5 teams combine to play 5 BCS conference teams it's obvious that their stats are going to be good.

So you can say the BigTen defenses aren't very good in that same time period? How does that work?

Iowa and Ohio State have top 10 defenses every year, their defenses are consistently good year in and year out. Is this suddenly changing now? Hell, that is what makes those teams ranked every year. That is like saying the Indianapolis Colts do not have a good offense, when everything points otherwise. Ohio State was 5th in defense last year, and have better personnel this year on that side of the ball. Unless you know something I don't know about their defense.

So why again does Iowa and Ohio State not have a good defense? I'm not even talking elite or dominating here.