Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[p_rushing]

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Posted on FSU's free rivals site ... the fact that FSU is publicly saying they are not happy with the ACC most likely means that they are exploring other options. FSU fans have long thought the ACC protected the NC schools and treated the rest of the schools secondary.

I don't know if I would be happy with the Big 12, as you have the same potential issue with the Texas schools acting as one, but they would at least act with football in mind first.

If FSU leaves the ACC, it could start a chain reaction that changes the entire landscape.

http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1364755

Until now, everyone officially associated with Florida State has publicly supported the recently announced television deal between the Atlantic Coast Conference and ESPN/ABC.

That is no longer the case.

In an exclusive interview with Warchant.com, Florida State Board of Trustees Chairman Andy Haggard blasted the agreement that will net each ACC school approximately $17 million per year through 2026-27.

[TheShizNo1]

I'm so sick of this. Take me back to when conferences made sense and January 1st was full of bowl games. ****ing suits ruin everything.

[BurghFan]

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Posted on FSU's free rivals site ... the fact that FSU is publicly saying they are not happy with the ACC most likely means that they are exploring other options. FSU fans have long thought the ACC protected the NC schools and treated the rest of the schools secondary.

I don't know if I would be happy with the Big 12, as you have the same potential issue with the Texas schools acting as one, but they would at least act with football in mind first.

If FSU leaves the ACC, it could start a chain reaction that changes the entire landscape.

I don't think the Big 12 treats all the Texas schools as one. In fact, isn't the whole unequal treatment thing part of the reason (if not most of it) that TAMU bolted for the SEC? Also, it won't start a chain reaction. It would merely continue to propegate one that started when Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten if not earlier.

[Suntan Superman]

I'm so sick of this. Take me back to when conferences made sense and January 1st was full of bowl games. ****ing suits ruin everything.

I know I'd almost rather go back to the Bowl Alliance days, and not worry about who the "National Champion" is, just play the game for fun, I'd really like to see bowl games between conferences mean something again. Alas, money is more important in this economic crisis than anything.

[p_rushing]

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I don't think the Big 12 treats all the Texas schools as one. In fact, isn't the whole unequal treatment thing part of the reason (if not most of it) that TAMU bolted for the SEC? Also, it won't start a chain reaction. It would merely continue to propegate one that started when Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten if not earlier.

The Texas treatment was what I meant. TAMU couldn't do what they wanted because the Texas schools had to act together. The change reaction would be the big conferences moving to 16 teams. If FSU leaves the ACC, then UM, VT, GT, and Clem would also leave. The ACC might as well not even bother with football at that point. The Big East would probably be robbed of the remaining football schools as the other conferences try to react. It would change the entire conference outlook as it could end the ACC and Big East.

[GeneralMike]

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What's really funny about this whole big east mess is that they turned down a $155million offer before the exodus and now they settled with that same figure. Problem is, there are more teams in the big east now than there was before SU, PITT, and WVU left.

What are you talking about? They haven't settled for any contract yet. They haven't even talked to any of the other networks yet.

[Chrisksaint]

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I just have a hard time believing FSU would go to a conference that isn't the SEC, the president right now is all about improving academics. This just seems like a side step to me, but with maybe a little more $$ if they go to the big 12

[gordogg24p]

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I don't know if I would be happy with the Big 12, as you have the same potential issue with the Texas schools acting as one, but they would at least act with football in mind first.

Don't think the Big 12 ever really had a problem with the Texas schools acting as one. It was really the feeling that Texas (the school) had all the control, and everyone in the Big 12 had to go with it.

It seems as though the new commissioner intends to make it so Texas no longer has that kind of influence, so that situation looks to be changing.

[dickey1331]

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I dont understand whats so amazing about the ACC compared to the Big East. This article does a good job of why the Big East is just as good if not better. I think what sticks out is since 1999 the ACC is 2-13 in the BCS and the Big East is 8-6

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/32766/big-east-must-begin-to-sell-itself

[lonewolf371]

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I dont understand whats so amazing about the ACC compared to the Big East. This article does a good job of why the Big East is just as good if not better. I think what sticks out is since 1999 the ACC is 2-13 in the BCS and the Big East is 8-6

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post...to-sell-itself

Probably because the ACC isn't run by a couple of small basketball schools that don't care whatsoever about football.

[dickey1331]

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Probably because the ACC isn't run by a couple of small basketball schools that don't care whatsoever about football.

But then you have Florida St wanting to leave because the ACC only cares about the Carolina schools. W Virginia leaves to the Big 12 where UT runs everything. The Big Easts new TV deal this fall will come close if not exceed the ACC deal.

[p_rushing]

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But then you have Florida St wanting to leave because the ACC only cares about the Carolina schools. W Virginia leaves to the Big 12 where UT runs everything. The Big Easts new TV deal this fall will come close if not exceed the ACC deal.

I doubt that. Football is what is driving most of these deals. It is not basketball. Even the ACC deal was driven by football and that alone was mainly because of FSU. Swofford, the ACC Commissioner, even said 80% of the deal is based on football. If Duke and UNC can't even get 20% of a TV deal, then how in the world is a conference without a football team going to get any were near what the ACC gets?

The ACC still has FSU, which is the reason the deal is as high as it is. Without FSU football, the deal would be worth a whole lot less. Even though FSU hasn't been great for a while, their games still draw great numbers.

[p_rushing]

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Probably because the ACC isn't run by a couple of small basketball schools that don't care whatsoever about football.

That is partially right, Swofford does at least give the appearance that he cares about football, but he really only cares about UNC and Duke basketball, with UNC on top.

[lonewolf371]

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But then you have Florida St wanting to leave because the ACC only cares about the Carolina schools. W Virginia leaves to the Big 12 where UT runs everything. The Big Easts new TV deal this fall will come close if not exceed the ACC deal.

Yeah I don't know why FSU would go to the Big 12. Maybe you're right and the ACC has their own problems. I was thinking they were a relatively stable league.

On an unrelated note I hate conference realignment, everything that's happened since the A&M move I've disliked.

[TDenverFan]

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If Louisville doesn't have good enough academics for the ACC, why would UCONN? They're on academic probation or something.

Outside of ND, the ACC doesn't have a ton of good options.

Louisville: (Academic Ranking #164 acc to US News)
+Good Basketball
-Mediocre Football

UCONN (#58)
+Good Basketball
+New Market
+Potential BC Rivalry
-Bad Football
-On Probation

University of Cincinnati (#143)
+Decent Basketball/Football Programs
+Not too far from ND (Potential Rivalry?)
-Tiny Football Stadium
-Nothing Special in any major sport

Rutgers (#68)
+Good Academics
+New Territory
-Mediocre at most major sports

Navy (#14 Liberal Arts)
+Sizable National Fanbase
+Potential Rivalry with Maryland
-Awful at Basketball
-Inconsistent at Football

Army (#14 Liberal Arts)
+Respectable National Fanbase
-Afwful at basketball
-Not good at football
-Awkward location between Syracuse & BC

Temple (#132)
+Good Basketball Program
+Large Stadium (CCG)
+In Philadelphia
-Mediocre attendance
-OK football team

USF (#181)
+In Florida (Might help FSt Stay)
+Decent football team
-Academics
-Nothing special (Doesn't give anything stellar to the ACC)

UCF (#177)
+In Florida
+Good Football Team
-Academics
-Inconsistent at basketball

SMU (#62)
+Football on the Rise
+Texas Fanbase
+Academics
-Basketball
-Geographical Oddity

Houston/USM (Not Published)
+Football
+New Fan Base
?Academics
-Baskebtall is inconsistent

Tulsa (#72)
+Decent at football
+New Fanbase
+Academics
-Basketball
-Geographical Oddity

ECU (#194)
+Good attendance at football games
-Poor basketball team
-Academics
-Awful geographical location

I think that covers just about everybody. I think if they can't get ND, Rutgers and UCONN are the most likely. Some of these schools (USM, Houston, SMU, etc.) are most likely not on the ACC's radar. Honestly though, SMU would be a pretty good choice for them, IMO. Adding in SMU and Tulsa, while setting up an east-west type of thing, would not be too bad for them. Sure, basketball would take a hit, but they could improve (Tulsa had a winning record, SMU was 13-19) with better funding (From the ACC). Temple might not be bad, the CCG could be in the Linc. Granted, IDK how many people would show up to that.

Did I miss anybody, and who do you guys think would be good for the ACC?