Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Redacted01]

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Well that certainly solidifies the conference as a Hoops conference. But I just don't see how this adds to the football pedigree. The myth of the NY market being brought in by Cuse is just that...a myth. Hoops will be amazing. But football wise, NY is a pro football area.

Edit: Just saw the UConn and Rutgers update. The thought of playing November games in the freezing cold of Jersey is not appealing.

Doesn't FSU already have to go to Boston occasionally... which is colder in November than Jersey? But I'm not seeing Rutgers and UConn as locks in the ACC just yet.

1. There is the whole 27 months notice. To whoever said it was only good through 2010, if so, why are ESPN and others still reporting it? Pretty sure it would have been reported otherwise if it had expired. ACC better hope the rest of the Big East crumbles so every will just leave asap.

2. The Big Ten isn't just going to sit on the sidelines when Rutgers fits their AAU profile and gets them onto the east coast. But if they do go to the ACC, at least they are one of the few conferences that still fits their regional title. MAC fails with UMass. Pac-12 fails with Colorado/Utah. Big East fails with TCU. WAC fails with LaTech.

3. Same applies to Missouri as Rutgers. If I was an Iowa State fan, I'd be hoping that Mizzou goes to the SEC, who isn't just going to sit there while other schools get scooped up with the ACC less likely to lose teams. Big Ten would just look the other way as Kansas State slips in with Kansas. It will all come down to what happens to the Big East, but if the football conference disbands and all those basketball schools leave with them, Notre Dame would be crazy to stay in an 8-team Big East basketball conference. Big Ten would take ND, Kansas, K State, Missouri. Iowa State is off to the Mountain West along with Baylor.

[Redacted01]

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But wouldn't the ACC still need 2 Teams Plus ND for Football Superconferences?

Rutgers
UCONN
USF
UCF
TCU

Could all be options

ACC has 14 teams... why would they need 17?

[Perfect Zero]

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Wow, I'm gone on vacation for one day and the whole thing blows up. I'm actually surprised that the ACC was able to pull this off without people really looking at it that close. As somebody said earlier, West Virginia must be deep in the SEC's sights and that could have started it all. I'll be interested to see how this plays out on the football field, but for basketball, this is really exciting news.

Now, Notre Dame must be really feeling the effects of the bigger conferences. The only thing that could make them jump is the superconference movement, and they're there. Now more than ever, it seems as if the 16 team movement is going to really pick up steam. Something tells me that the first four conferences to sixteen are going to dominate the landscape of top-level college football, so these other conferences better pick it up.

With this all, the possibilities are endless. The ACC could pick up Rutgers and Connecticut. The Big Whatever could keep its AAU goals for Missouri and Kansas (while begrudgingly taking Kansas State), with Notre Dame. The SEC could add West Virginia into its ranks, but then has a problem with a lack of talented teams. Perhaps the best options out of South Florida, Louisville, Cincinnati, Texas Christian, Memphis or a few others... The PAC takes Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State.

In any case, we're about to see the start of standardized college football. Interesting to see it form...

[TDenverFan]

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ACC has 14 teams... why would they need 17?

I'm assuming ND is non-Football, and they want to become a superconference.

[Redacted01]

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I'm assuming ND is non-Football, and they want to become a superconference.

But why would you need Notre Dame to be a super conference? It makes no sense. 16 teams is 16 teams. You don't need 16 + ND to declare yourself a super conference. ND won't be in the ACC in any form any way. Just not seeing that. The ACC commish claims he's content with 14, but a few more Big East schools will probably apply soon. Your conference is at 7 for football, it will lose it's BCS bid before long, they'll have nothing left to stay for.

[TheGamingChef]

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NBC Sports reporting that Texas to the Pac-12 is essentially a done deal.

Now it boils down to the Pac and if they go to 14 or all the way to 16.

I've been thinking all along they could just say "We want OU and UT. If you aren't willing to split from your partner (OSU/TTU), fine, we won't take you." The conference has all of the power and all of the leverage.

For some reason though, I think they'll go 16. And that's when it gets interesting.

Pac-16 will add UT, OU, OSU, and TTU.
ACC will add Syracuse, Pitt, and Rutgers and UConn (as reports have stated).
SEC will add Texas A&M and West Virginia. Then what? If the ACC is locked down, likely Missouri and Louisville.

Leaving the Big Ten. For those who think K-State would be in the Big Ten... I am just shaking my head imagining the conference presidents in a meeting discussing K-State. That would get laughed out of the room. The Big Ten is still an academic conference and K-State is nowhere near meeting their requirements. The two schools with BCS credentials and AAU membership that they can easily pick up are Kansas and Iowa State. Maybe K-State gets in if there is absolutely no one else to get... but K-State literally makes no sense over either of those two schools. The argument that "KU and KSU don't want to split up" is bogus. Big deal - they have no leverage in this situation... the conferences hold all the cards.

We'll see.

If they go 14...

Pac-14 with OU and UT.
ACC with 'Cuse and Pitt.
SEC with A&M and West Virginia.
Big Ten has more options. Rutgers and Missouri are probably the best bets.

There would be a Big 12/Big East leftover conference consisting of:

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida
UConn

Note that this conference, still meeting the minimum requirements for the Big 12 (5 members sticking around and at least 8 teams) would retain that conference's BCS bid... and the 6 schools sticking around would get to split 4 shares of exit fees.

Have to imagine that conference would add three mid-majors (maybe BYU, maybe ECU, maybe UCF, maybe Houston) and we would have five 14-team BCS conferences. Big East would be done.

[TracerBullet]

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Doesn't FSU already have to go to Boston occasionally... which is colder in November than Jersey? But I'm not seeing Rutgers and UConn as locks in the ACC just yet.

1. There is the whole 27 months notice. To whoever said it was only good through 2010, if so, why are ESPN and others still reporting it? Pretty sure it would have been reported otherwise if it had expired. ACC better hope the rest of the Big East crumbles so every will just leave asap.

2. The Big Ten isn't just going to sit on the sidelines when Rutgers fits their AAU profile and gets them onto the east coast. But if they do go to the ACC, at least they are one of the few conferences that still fits their regional title. MAC fails with UMass. Pac-12 fails with Colorado/Utah. Big East fails with TCU. WAC fails with LaTech.

3. Same applies to Missouri as Rutgers. If I was an Iowa State fan, I'd be hoping that Mizzou goes to the SEC, who isn't just going to sit there while other schools get scooped up with the ACC less likely to lose teams. Big Ten would just look the other way as Kansas State slips in with Kansas. It will all come down to what happens to the Big East, but if the football conference disbands and all those basketball schools leave with them, Notre Dame would be crazy to stay in an 8-team Big East basketball conference. Big Ten would take ND, Kansas, K State, Missouri. Iowa State is off to the Mountain West along with Baylor.

Still don't get why people say that.

[GiantYankee]

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"We are pleased that Syracuse adds a New York City dimension to the ACC, a region in which we have built strong identity and affinity, and we look forward to bringing ACC games to the Big Apple," Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor said in a release.

Excuse me madame chancellor, not sure if you know this but Syracuse is about 5 hrs north of NYC. They won't be playing in MSG unless they play St. Johns or in some sort of tournament. Sounds dumb to say that Syracuse adds a NYC dimension to the ACC. Just saying.

[Redacted01]

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Still don't get why people say that.

Ok, even Arizona and Arizona State push it. What time zone do those teams play in? What region are they in? The ROCKY MOUNTAINS. I know it is not the PCC any more, but when i think the Pacific, I think California, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii; not Colorado and Utah. Just like when I here Big East, I don't think Texas. Hell, I don't even think Ohio and Kentucky, but at least they are in the eastern United States.

And if it makes you feel better, they are going to be failing any way once they add any of Texas, OU, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech.

[Perfect Zero]

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Ok, even Arizona and Arizona State push it. What time zone do those teams play in? What region are they in? The ROCKY MOUNTAINS. I know it is not the PCC any more, but when i think the Pacific, I think California, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii; not Colorado and Utah. Just like when I here Big East, I don't think Texas. Hell, I don't even think Ohio and Kentucky, but at least they are in the eastern United States.

And if it makes you feel better, they are going to be failing any way once they add any of Texas, OU, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech.

How many times does it has to be said? The name of the conference doesn't matter in the least bit.

[Redacted01]

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How many times does it has to be said? The name of the conference doesn't matter in the least bit.

It mattered for decades. Only now is starting not to matter. Did you think when they called it the Southeastern Conference, they just pulled the name out of thin air since it didn't matter?

[Perfect Zero]

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It mattered for decades. Only now is starting not to matter. Did you think when they called it the Southeastern Conference, they just pulled the name out of thin air since it didn't matter?

There's the answer to your problem right there. Welcome to the new landscape of college football.

[LionsFanNJ]

The fact that all this stupid realignment stuff effects Basketball as well annoys me to no end.

[Cusefan]

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"We are pleased that Syracuse adds a New York City dimension to the ACC, a region in which we have built strong identity and affinity, and we look forward to bringing ACC games to the Big Apple," Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor said in a release.

Excuse me madame chancellor, not sure if you know this but Syracuse is about 5 hrs north of NYC. They won't be playing in MSG unless they play St. Johns or in some sort of tournament. Sounds dumb to say that Syracuse adds a NYC dimension to the ACC. Just saying.

Syracuse will schedule OOC games at MSG like they have done a few times before. I would not be suprised to see Syracuse play a team like Duke or UNC at MSG. Besides when the Big East collapses, the ACC could easily come in and snatch MSG for its tourny. Its all about the money, if the ACC wants MSG over a depleted Big East, they could get it.

[TDenverFan]

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But why would you need Notre Dame to be a super conference? It makes no sense. 16 teams is 16 teams. You don't need 16 + ND to declare yourself a super conference. ND won't be in the ACC in any form any way. Just not seeing that. The ACC commish claims he's content with 14, but a few more Big East schools will probably apply soon. Your conference is at 7 for football, it will lose it's BCS bid before long, they'll have nothing left to stay for.

What I'm trying to say:

ACC Football: 16 Teams. ND is independent. ACC is a superconference.

ACC Everything Else: 17 Teams. ND is ACC.