Week 13 Discussion

[ImTellinTim]

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It was going so well for Case McCoy. Then he made that throw.

[legendkiller5]

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Well, Texas is going back to sucking.

Get this season over with, gone on head and get rolled by Kansas State.

Can't believe with a program like Texas, the head coaches of the football and basketball teams need to be fired.

[cdawg44]

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Oh well. At least we are one step closer to A&M/Texas in the Cotton Bowl.

[TheShizNo1]

Time for Mack to go?

[BlastX21]

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Can't believe with a program like Texas, the head coaches of the football and basketball teams need to be fired.

Why? To fire someone implies that they underacheived. Except, we're about where everyone expected us to be before the season.

[legendkiller5]

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Why? To fire someone implies that they underacheived. Except, we're about where everyone expected us to be before the season.

5-7, 7-5 and probably 8-4. Really ? That's not underachieving ?

You're right. A school with the resources of the University of Texas at Austin should be only winning 8 games a year and no where near the natty title picture.

If the expectations coming into the season were to be 9-3, 8-4, then that's a serious problem.

OU will maybe finish 10-2, 9-3 and that's not good enough. Why ? Because they have title aspirations every season. Same with Alabama. That's where Texas should be.

But if fans are happy with being 3rd best in the conference and winning 8 or 9 a season while being embarrassed by OU, then Mack should stay.

And I've wanted Barnes gone for a couple seasons now.

[BlastX21]

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5-7, 7-5 and probably 8-4. Really ? That's not underachieving ?

Where did I say 5-7 and 7-5 isn't underacheiving?

You're right. A school with the resources of the University of Texas at Austin should be only winning 8 games a year and no where near the natty title picture.

Where did I say Texas should be winning 8 games every year?

If the expectations coming into the season were to be 9-3, 8-4, then that's a serious problem.

I don't disagree. The question is whether this is Mack Brown's fault, or if its due to external factors.

OU will maybe finish 10-2, 9-3 and that's not good enough. Why ? Because they have title aspirations every season. Same with Alabama. That's where Texas should be.

But if fans are happy with being 3rd best in the conference and winning 8 or 9 a season while being embarrassed by OU, then Mack should stay.

This still doesn't prove that Mack is the problem. Saying "the team isn't winning enough games" isn't an argument. That can be due to any number of things, not all of which fall on the coach. If you're arguing why Mack should be fired, I want to know why Mack should be fired. Is he not recruiting well enough? Is he not motivating well enough? Whats he doing wrong?

I personally don't see how the last couple years fall on Mack's shoulders. Nobody could have known that Garrett Gilbert (5-star prospect) was going to be a bust. Its rare to see a team dominate when they're starting 2 freshman quarterbacks (2011) and has new coordinators on both sides of the ball. The run defense was going to struggle this year no matter who's the coach because we lost 3 of our top 4 run stoppers to injury. (Even then, the D has given up 17, 22, and 20 points the last 3 games).


That said, I'm open to discussion. I would definently like to believe that a simple coaching change would solve all our problems. But would it?

[legendkiller5]

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Why? To fire someone implies that they underacheived. Except, we're about where everyone expected us to be before the season.

Where did I say 5-7 and 7-5 isn't underacheiving?

see above.

Where did I say Texas should be winning 8 games every year?

well, apparently they aren't underachieving, so 8-4 is fine.

I don't disagree. The question is whether this is Mack Brown's fault, or if its due to external factors.




This still doesn't prove that Mack is the problem. Saying "the team isn't winning enough games" isn't an argument. That can be due to any number of things, not all of which fall on the coach. If you're arguing why Mack should be fired, I want to know why Mack should be fired. Is he not recruiting well enough? Is he not motivating well enough? Whats he doing wrong?

I personally don't see how the last couple years fall on Mack's shoulders. Nobody could have known that Garrett Gilbert (5-star prospect) was going to be a bust. Its rare to see a team dominate when they're starting 2 freshman quarterbacks (2011) and has new coordinators on both sides of the ball. The run defense was going to struggle this year no matter who's the coach because we lost 3 of our top 4 run stoppers to injury. (Even then, the D has given up 17, 22, and 20 points the last 3 games).


That said, I'm open to discussion. I would definently like to believe that a simple coaching change would solve all our problems. But would it?

There's no excuse for a team with the pipelines, facilities, money and resources to perform like Texas has. Texas has top 10 classes every year, the same caliber of classes as Alabama or Oklahoma. I mean did you not watch the last few Oklahoma games ? Texas is getting flat out destroyed by a team that has the same caliber of players. I know they have an unbelievable QB, but A&M went from a mediocre team in the Big XII, to a top 15 team that beat Alabama on the road. This is Sumlin's first year, he doesn't even have the players he wants yet. Texas just got beat by a four loss team and a freshman quarterback by a coach who makes a living at turning average recruits to fantastic ball players.

If its not the coaching, then I honestly do not know what else it could be. Look at JJlinn's post in the CBB section under this week's set of games. Even though he's talking about Barnes, the exact same can be said about Mack.

[Psyblast]

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Nobody could have known that Garrett Gilbert (5-star prospect) was going to be a bust.

If I recall correctly, didn't Texas make a point of passing on taking a QB in the 2008 class because of Gilbert being in the bag in the 2009 class? When you consider that Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, and Darron Thomas were in the 2008 class, that's a pretty glaring misfire in talent evaluation. Whether it's fair or not, head coaches will always take the heat when recruiting plays out like that.

[DivotMaker]

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If I recall correctly, didn't Texas make a point of passing on taking a QB in the 2008 class because of Gilbert being in the bag in the 2009 class? When you consider that Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, and Darron Thomas were in the 2008 class, that's a pretty glaring misfire in talent evaluation. Whether it's fair or not, head coaches will always take the heat when recruiting plays out like that.

They also passed on Johnny Manziel......

[Aggies67]

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They also passed on Johnny Manziel......

And last night, they certainly could've used Johnny, that's for sure.

[Tovarich]

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Kent State up 21-0 on Ohio, review pending. That's quite a collapse by the Bobcats.

Syracuse is fumble-happy so far in the 1st quarter, Temple up 10-0.

[19]

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TD Hawkeyes.

Please beat Corn today. Please.

[bad_philanthropy]

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So happy that Nebraska is not playing Colorado today. That would have a terrible game.

[19]

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What terrible play calling by Iowa on 3rd & 4th down.