Summer Storms: The NCAA Release Story

[ChaseB]

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I'm not saying have them write as that is your area of expertise. I am just suggesting to run it by them before posting it as they will know the overall forum pulse as well as the game in itself.

Oh alright. I don't think we can do that really, but people could always PM me some names so I'm aware at least.

Thanks for hanging in there through this whole thread, Chase. It's not easy to deal with hundreds of people taking shots at you and the staff. I appreciate your honesty and straight-forwardness, it's refreshing to see non-BS answers.

We got to do right by you guys, otherwise there's no point in doing this thing. Plus I wasn't aware of all the anger, so it was for my own edumacation. I'm not a hard person to get a hold of either way, whether it be AIM, OS, PSN, XBL, or even via Friend Codes.

[thmst30]

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I must be in an extreme minority because I absolutely love this game and only small online issues are taking away from my experience.

I'm right there with you man.

Your both damn idiots.







JK:wink:

[ChaseB]

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So I'll bring something else in here. Looking through the past NCAA articles, I just noticed that Carlos wrote this one while I was away at E3: http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=593

Are you guys cool with the general style/content of this article (grammar issues aside).

[Seahawk76]

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So I'll bring something else in here. Looking through the past NCAA articles, I just noticed that Carlos wrote this one while I was away at E3: http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=593

Are you guys cool with the general style/content of this article (grammar issues aside).

That article is fine, as far as I'm concerned. It dealt honestly with some of the flaws and bugs in the game that may bother some people more than others.

When a game is released with serious bugs and gameplay flaws I just don't think OS should be running puff pieces, glib outhouse psychoanalysis of negative posters, or engaging in rampant overmoderation of negative posts (I'm looking your direction countryboy).

[spit_bubble]

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...I can't force people to write negative pieces...

It's not about being positive or negative. As an editor you should realize that it's the truth that matters. That's pretty much Journalism 101.

As such, that article is horrible (edit: The NCAA Summer Storms one, just to be clear). It dramatizes rather than reports... And it clearly spins at the end in the second to last paragraph.

Garbage.

Very likely just an EA funded puff piece.

[thmst30]

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http://www.5w-g.com/2008/07/24/eas-bobbled-the-ball-will-it-still-make-the-catch/

MAJOR props to former Operation Sports Managing Editor: Shawn Drotar. This is how it used to be around here.

[Jistic]

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http://www.5w-g.com/2008/07/24/eas-b...ake-the-catch/

Props to former Operation Sports Managing Editor: Shawn Drotar. This is how it used to be around here.

Refreshing...makes me misty about the "good ole days". Shawn is someone pretty much all of us respect.

[Seahawk76]

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http://www.5w-g.com/2008/07/24/eas-b...ake-the-catch/

MAJOR props to former Operation Sports Managing Editor: Shawn Drotar. This is how it used to be around here.

Yep, he's right on the money. NCAA 09 is an unfinished product that was rushed out the door for business reasons. OS should be holding EA's feet to the fire for this, not writing puff pieces.

[janglar]

I just want my f**king rosters to work and I can deal with the rest. Whose got the latest up to the minute scoop on the roster patch release?

[PlyrzNumber1]

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Yep, he's right on the money. NCAA 09 is an unfinished product that was rushed out the door for business reasons. OS should be holding EA's feet to the fire for this, not writing puff pieces.

Amen!

In regards to your comment about overmoderating: its not just countryboy, it's fishpapa(sp?) too.

Beyond that, if Adam/OMT wants a topic "stickied", locked, or other posters comments deleted (because they have critical comments about the bugs/gameplay) the moderators happily assist.

[ChaseB]

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Once again, thanks again for all the comments and concerns. I've learned a lot from this experience, and the staff as a whole I think has as well. We'll definitely try to improve the situation moving forward.

I'm off to bed.

[McLite]

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Amen!

In regards to your comment about overmoderating: its not just countryboy, it's fishpapa(sp?) too.

Beyond that, if Adam/OMT wants a topic "stickied", locked, or other posters comments deleted (because they have critical comments about the bugs/gameplay) the moderators happily assist.

That is such absolute ignorance. The overmoderating in this forum is due to countless individuals posting the same things over and over. EA sucks, this game sucks, I'm mad, OS sucks. If we wouldn't have to deal with 100 different people posting the same thing we wouldn't have to close/lock every 5th thread.

I don't know who Adam is...I don't know who OMT is. I've never had a conversation nor have most of the other mods had a conversation with him as far as I know. And he nor anyone else has never told me to lock or close a negative thread. I close replays and I give infractions for those who can't follow the TOS...that's my little job in this huge online world.

I mean give me a break...almost 75% of the threads have been negative, we would have to lock every one. This game is an absolute mess for a lot of people. Online doesn't work, rosters, kickoffs, pass rush, custom sounds, and on and on. Me...I haven't really had a problem with the game. I don't play online, I don't use custom rosters, I tweaked the sliders and I play it and enjoy it for what's it worth.

Do I think this article is bad...yes I do. It completely ignores most of the online community in which it's posted in. It's basically telling a vast majority of the posters they are wrong and over reacting...which is never a good idea. Do I think the game is bad...not totally. As I said I have my fun with it playing Campus Legend and a little bit of Dynasty so far.

If you have a negative opinion then feel free to post it. Just please give some reasons and stay in the threads provided. I'm all for everyone getting their 2 cents in...just stay professional and back it up.

[jpup]

What happened to OS? This is not the site that I once remember. I have been wondering what was going on for some time now. This thread kind of shows my feeling. I agree with AA, Pared, & the others that believe that OS should be held to a higher standard. That high standard is why we all came here and stayed.

I think I'll quit looking at the Home page anymore.

[pietasterp]

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There's some good dialogue here, and some excellent points that summarize a lot of our (collective) feelings are being brought to the fore, which is a good thing.

I think the article in question ("Summer Storms") had some good points and made some rather insightful, albeit glib (intentionally so, I imagine, and to good comic effect) observations about forum mentality/trends. The passage about the pre-release hysteria, the standard tap-dance with some members obtaining early release copies of games (and the subsquent inquisition that always accompanies claims of "I got the game early!"), and the early concerns/bad news spreading like wildfire across the forums are all good observations about forum behavior in general, which is what I believe was the main point of the article.

Having said that....as Pared and others have accurately and intelligently articulated, given the recent change in the dynamic of the forums here (from grass-roots, anti-establishment, hardcore sports gaming talk to what now appears to be some concerning or questionable relationships with publishers/developers), this article happened to come about during a perfect storm of change at Operation Sports. If the forum members seem a little touchy on the subject, it's probably because the article appears to trivialize their concerns regarding the NCAA game and over-generalize their complaints as part of a very unhappy and vocal minority. The article may have been well-received if posted at another time, but about this particular game, at this particular time, when it seems OS staff has never been further away from the pulse of its forum members (at least regarding the relative merits of a game, in this case NCAA 09), it seems to be adding fuel to the fire.

The insinuation that OS is now being unduly influenced by EA or anyone else is something only the OS staff can truly comment on. However, as the site gets bigger and bigger, bear in mind that when it comes to a website's credibility and authenticity, especially one that has built its reputation on brutal honesty and unabashed truth without regard to advertisers or publishers feelings, the appearance of impropriety is tantamount to impropriety itself.

[bears5122]

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Once again, thanks again for all the comments and concerns. I've learned a lot from this experience, and the staff as a whole I think has as well. We'll definitely try to improve the situation moving forward.

I'm off to bed.

Many of us appreciate you listening to concerns and being so open minded.

One of the things I'd say is that a lot of the newer pieces seem to just be re-written press releases from the companies. Whether it's touting a feature or a fluff piece on a release. While there isn't anything horrible with that, it's just not that interesting to me and others.

Take the Summer Storms article. While it's been bashed for being a PR piece, it's also a piece that really doesn't offer anything new. Instead of an article re-hashing some board banter, I'd love to see something that actually involves EA answering questions. Whoever the writer is could come up with 10-15 questions that have been debated on the boards and gotten some answers. I'd love to know if they feel the pass rush is weak, or if they intended the pursuit to be built this way. I'd love to know when we can expect online dynasty to be fixed or what the potential timeframe is for a gameplay patch. Most of us are running around like chickens with our heads cut off and this would offer a great chance to put some of these questions to rest.

That kind of stuff peaks my interest. It doesn't have to be a hit piece either. Just simple questions and a forum for EA to give their customers an honest reply (to questions we are interested in hearing answers about).

And that's just one idea. But things like that offer more value in my opinion. Some of the detailed analysis of the games that you see on Bill Harris or Bill Abner's blog are always insightful. A more journalistic approach to the articles, with no bias at all. I think right now most of the homepage content is just re-hashed press releases. A move in the other direction would garner many more eyeballs, including new people who are drawn from other sites.