Ncaa 10 - Why is ea selling functions that should be in the game.

[~Guru~]

Re: Ncaa 10 - Why is ea selling functions that should be in the game.

You're not understanding how this works. I'll try to simplify things.

Anyone can build their team on the site with their own gamertag. This guy can build his team with his GT, his son can build his team with his GT and I can build my team with my GT. Noone has any codes yet.

This guy buys the game and the game itself comes with a code to unlock the teambuilder feature. It has nothing to do with any teams yet, it simply turns on the entire teambuilder feature. He can then download his own team that he built, his son's team which was built with his son's GT and my team which I built with my GT.

His son, however, who doesn't have his own version of the game, and thus doesn't have his own code, cannot use the entire teambuilder feature. At all. He cannot use any created teams because the NCAA game only comes with 1 code. Again, this code has nothing to do with what teams can be downloaded. It only has to do with the entire teambuilder feature.

This would be akin to EA giving us a code to unlock online dynasty mode. With this code, every single disc that is sold could have the online dynasty mode, but it would only work for whichever profile activated the code. In this example, the father could play as much OD as he wanted to, but his son would not be able to play OD at all unless he bought his own version of the game.

With the direction this is going, what's to stop EA from providing a code for every feature of the game (Road to Glory, offline dynasty, etc) that will only allow the game to be played on 1 profile?

Does this make things more clear Guru?

Gotcha...now i see...but my game did not come with a code...where is the code?

never mind...found the code

[Hoos]

Re: Ncaa 10 - Why is ea selling functions that should be in the game.

Hey we had a 20 page thread on this when it was first announced.

All of these items can be obtained by playing the game, these shorcuts are just offered for the more casual crowd. They are also making it an option in Online Dynasties to not allow the PDLC. So it won't be a problem online if that's what you are worried about.

Hey you reserve your right to stick up for money grubbing. I reserve my right to "moan." (nice choice of words)

And one thing I don't think you understand... Is that these things aren't necessarily gained by playing the game. Recruiting advisor? It's year 2 and I don't have access to THAT yet. There's certainly nothing that tells you what you have to do to get it. Recruit Reports? Same thing. Don't have access to those after playing through a season.


FYI Fellas: I created an OD and there isn't any way to turn off the dynasty accelerators, and I'm sure there's no way to tell who is using them... So cheaters rejoice

Okay, so which is it??

This will really suck donkey nuts if there's no way to turn this crap off for OD or online play in general!!! I mean, no way to know if anyone is using the DL cheats and then having an unfair advantage that it affords them?? Let's just cater to the cheesers and cheaters of this world EA, all to make a buck

If true.................C'MON EA, GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ARSES AND YOUR HANDS OUT OF OUR POCKETS!!!!

[thescoop]

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I'd pay, even though I shouldn't have to, for the missing stadiums, Stadium expansions that didn't make it in before the cut date. (I'm looking for my Southern Miss expansion The Rock) but I do agree we shouldn't have to. I'm use to this now, but I'd rather see them put up useful stuff like that this fluff.

[Hellisan]

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LOL...Hey I would not want to pay for anything either...

But my point is that I understand how a business works...that is all I am saying...

If shooters did not make money for downloadable maps then they would not be there to download..

but you can tell they make good money out of it based on the fact that they release like 2-3 map packs per game every time

remember the nintendo days and genesis days....We had to dea with no patch and no map packs and no roster updates and it was all for 50 bucks

the console gets better and therefore the games get better and therefore the price per game goes up to 60

If Halo or KIll Zone came out next week and said...

We will have new uniforms and weapons along with more new maps for online and it will cost you 10 bucks..

There would be an outrage on the forums...but I bet you they will still sell like hotcakes...no?

Ok I see your point but I really believe - especially as a long-time Socom addict back in the day - that Map packs are a different animal altogether. A brand new map for people to explore, play in, etc. is WORTH the money! I buy the updates from Forza because I think they're worth it. This isn't that. And in those games, you don't have these popup ads constantly messing up the experience.

If they came back a month from now with a huge update that had all kinds of alternate unis for every team, including old ones, or something like that... And didn't have annoying popup ads - I'd never say a word.

[Hellisan]

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lol is it really that tough on the psyche to just select "no" and move on? I didn't know about these accelerators before I got the game on Thursday and the first time I came across one I was like "what is this ****."

It's a cheat folks...nothing more, nothing less. I can understand why some considers it annoying....but the complaints are getting a little ridiculous now. Lets be honest...it's not really an assault on the senses or some egregious act like leaving out an entire BCS conference. Plus they're only there during the first play through of a mode as if to say "hey just so you know...here I am!!" I've created two separate RTG modes and only saw the 5-star recruit pop up in the first one...once it made me aware that it's there guess what happened??? It never showed up again.

Sometimes I honestly think people on OS seek out things to complain about just to run here and start posting.

Plus...why would a publicly traded company stop trying to bring in revenue? They do have some responsibility to their shareholders, so while I would never use one of the accelerators--I'm not going to complain about a company trying to make money. Are they supposed to do the exact opposite of that?

I have always been a huge EA guy dude. I loved '09. I loved '08. Even when people were complaining about those games I played them and played them. Over the last few months I've been begging people to wait until the game came out, and to play it, before judging it. I'm on their side, so to speak. I guess my point with this is I'm not a typical OS guy that whines about everything EA does.

But the public has a duty to stand up and say look... We really don't appreciate this, and we don't want to see this become a trend. Literally dude, before you played a year of online dynasty you will have had to ignore at least 5-6 popup ads, the constant Y-button on every screen, etc. And most importantly, you can't start an online dynasty because of the cheats that you wouldn't even be able to tell if everybody had. So effectively what they've done is take a guy who wouldn't WANT to pay for this stuff because I just like to play clean - and instead I'll have to advise my league that everybody buys it so we can at least be on the same level playing field.

This whole thing is just a slippery slope that I really don't hope they go down. So I will complain about it. Because It's not real content, and they still want to get paid for it. And eventually this will tarnish their reputation.

[jfsolo]

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I have always been a huge EA guy dude. I loved '09. I loved '08. Even when people were complaining about those games I played them and played them. Over the last few months I've been begging people to wait until the game came out, and to play it, before judging it. I'm on their side, so to speak. I guess my point with this is I'm not a typical OS guy that whines about everything EA does.

But the public has a duty to stand up and say look... We really don't appreciate this, and we don't want to see this become a trend. Literally dude, before you played a year of online dynasty you will have had to ignore at least 5-6 popup ads, the constant Y-button on every screen, etc. And most importantly, you can't start an online dynasty because of the cheats that you wouldn't even be able to tell if everybody had. So effectively what they've done is take a guy who wouldn't WANT to pay for this stuff because I just like to play clean - and instead I'll have to advise my league that everybody buys it so we can at least be on the same level playing field.

This whole thing is just a slippery slope that I really don't hope they go down. So I will complain about it. Because It's not real content, and they still want to get paid for it. And eventually this will tarnish their reputation.

One of the fixes in the patch is supposed to be a toggle to allow the "accelerators" to be turned off in online dynasty.

Yes, most of us old school diehards probably wish that these things didn't even exist at all, but truth be told, that genie is never going back into the bottle. I'm guessing that 90% of all publishers are going to eventually have something similar. You certainly have the right to protest against it, but it will be to no avail. There's too much money to be made with RMT(Real Money Transactions)

Toggles for these kinds of things, to prevent unfair advantages in multiplayer modes, is going to be the best that people can hope for. MMO players have been dealing with this reality for a while now and there are no toggles to keep people from buying their way to success.

[nuckles2k2]

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I have always been a huge EA guy dude. I loved '09. I loved '08. Even when people were complaining about those games I played them and played them. Over the last few months I've been begging people to wait until the game came out, and to play it, before judging it. I'm on their side, so to speak. I guess my point with this is I'm not a typical OS guy that whines about everything EA does.

But the public has a duty to stand up and say look... We really don't appreciate this, and we don't want to see this become a trend. Literally dude, before you played a year of online dynasty you will have had to ignore at least 5-6 popup ads, the constant Y-button on every screen, etc. And most importantly, you can't start an online dynasty because of the cheats that you wouldn't even be able to tell if everybody had. So effectively what they've done is take a guy who wouldn't WANT to pay for this stuff because I just like to play clean - and instead I'll have to advise my league that everybody buys it so we can at least be on the same level playing field.

This whole thing is just a slippery slope that I really don't hope they go down. So I will complain about it. Because It's not real content, and they still want to get paid for it. And eventually this will tarnish their reputation.

I understand everything you're saying but I still think it's blown out of proportion. The only accelerators that I've personally seen are the 5-star prospect in RTG, buying an extra pipline state, the recruit reports in the recruiting screen, and the training in the offseason menu. So that's only 3 in Dynasty Mode...not 5-6, and they only pop up in your first play through of your very first season of dynasty. Please don't spread false info, after your first experience of the pop up they just become an extra option on the menu. Hardly as annoying as some people would make it seem. Complaints like this are like the nagging complaints of a girlfriend or a wife that go completely ignored. They seriously only pop up once for the person who doesn't frequent the online forums and don't already know about the accelerators and what aspect of the game they effect. Once they're made known, they no longer pop up....

When EA knows that...and people still say "hey man!!! these pop ups...WTF?"

EA pretty much says "huh? unless you're completely deleting your profile and starting new dynasties every day why would the pop ups really bother you?" a quick laugh, and then they proceed to ignore you.

And while I agree with the online dynasty part of your argument, I read that EA said they'll patch the game to remove that from the OD. That really sucks, they should have looked into that if they were hell bent on putting in acceletators.

[mmorg]

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Okay, so which is it??

This will really suck donkey nuts if there's no way to turn this crap off for OD or online play in general!!! I mean, no way to know if anyone is using the DL cheats and then having an unfair advantage that it affords them?? Let's just cater to the cheesers and cheaters of this world EA, all to make a buck

If true.................C'MON EA, GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ARSES AND YOUR HANDS OUT OF OUR POCKETS!!!!

It's being included in the first patch. Adam Thompson posted a thread about it.

[NoDakHusker]

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I understand everything you're saying but I still think it's blown out of proportion. The only accelerators that I've personally seen are the 5-star prospect in RTG, buying an extra pipline state, the recruit reports in the recruiting screen, and the training in the offseason menu. So that's only 3 in Dynasty Mode...not 5-6, and they only pop up in your first play through of your very first season of dynasty. Please don't spread false info, after your first experience of the pop up they just become an extra option on the menu. Hardly as annoying as some people would make it seem. Complaints like this are like the nagging complaints of a girlfriend or a wife that go completely ignored. They seriously only pop up once for the person who doesn't frequent the online forums and don't already know about the accelerators and what aspect of the game they effect. Once they're made known, they no longer pop up....

When EA knows that...and people still say "hey man!!! these pop ups...WTF?"

EA pretty much says "huh? unless you're completely deleting your profile and starting new dynasties every day why would the pop ups really bother you?" a quick laugh, and then they proceed to ignore you.

And while I agree with the online dynasty part of your argument, I read that EA said they'll patch the game to remove that from the OD. That really sucks, they should have looked into that if they were hell bent on putting in acceletators.

+1. Very much agreed. The accelerators aren't that great. I wouldn't use them even if they were free.

[da ThRONe]

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My problems with the acceleraters is this. 1st the game is broken. How can you sell me a broken game and then expect more money? And 2nd the stuff they're selling is dumb. Give us equipment upgrades or FCS Schools or something instead of the crap they're selling.

[mmorg]

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My problems with the acceleraters is this. 1st the game is broken. How can you sell me a broken game and then expect more money? And 2nd the stuff they're selling is dumb. Give us equipment upgrades or FCS Schools or something instead of the crap they're selling.

How is the game broken?

[nuckles2k2]

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How is the game broken?

it's not...broken is a loaded term.

Madden 09 was broken when I found Peyton Manning, Richard Seymour, and 2 other 90+ players in the free agency and no one would sign them.

Unmet expectations is a completely different animal.

[da ThRONe]

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How is the game broken?

Are you serious? Even the dev. team has said the game is broken. Where have you been sliders dont work I would categorize that as broken! And thats not even bring up the roster screw up. And the game isnt even out yet officially!

[MrDeeds]

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With the direction this is going, what's to stop EA from providing a code for every feature of the game (Road to Glory, offline dynasty, etc) that will only allow the game to be played on 1 profile?

This is exactly the problem and whats scary. Where are they going to stop. I could care less about popups but the fact that they don't have the forethought or even care about these issues before releasing the game shows its about the dollar to them.

How could they not know it would be an issue to have dynasty accelerators online when there was no way to turn it off. The teambuilder option is the biggest joke. So everyone within an household is going to need their own copy of the game to use it.

To the person that tried to compare this to how shooters release maps, thats just a totally different thing. The shooters come as complete games, then a few months after their release they offer those that want them additional maps. It affects gameplay in no way if you don't purchase them and the people that purchase them have no advantage. It would be more like being able to purchase the ability to go through the prestiges faster on call of duty.

A patch doesnt solve much because by the time they release a patch many online dynasties will already be through their first year. So if you don't start over then how are you going to benefit from it.

I know someone is going to say take your dynasty offline then back online, well you lose your stats that way. Lose Lose Situation

[OMT]

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That is one of the major issues with even venturing down this path, you offer someone the ability to skip ahead but you also offer the option to turn off that cheat. So if 90% of online dynasties turn off the ability to use the cheat then what did they really pay for.

I haven't tried to start an online dynasty yet so i hadn't seen the option to turn off the recuiting helpers. I posted based on my shock after my first time playing the game, i'll try to find the old post.

The ability to to turn them off for an online dynasty is in the patch.