Which Playbook is the best using the TE passing game (xbox 360)

[Strummer101er]

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If I was into men,I'd ask you to marry me! I took a look at ASU's playbook and I love this thing. Thank you so much for suggesting it.

FYI, ASU's playbook and Oregon State's playbook are 90% identical. Oregon State has more Ace forms and less Shotgun forms.

[IIx Nautica xII]

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i disagree. putting a WR at HB on a toss is not cheese. see percy harvin. putting a TE in the slot is not cheese. see.. almost any TE. there are ways to exploit the game, of course, but creating mismatches at any position you can is not cheese. like putting victor harris at WR (like i did last year with VT). 99 speed and good hands, perfect for the deep ball. i went into the depth chart, put him as my slot receiver and he was in about 75% of my plays. not cheese- they did it all the time last year. and you can say i'm a cheeser and all that crap.. i couldn't care less what a douchebag like you thinks. enough said.

sim players agree you are a cheeser and aparently you do care because if you didn't you wouldn't have responded like a D'bag and justified my response, DA!

[Strummer101er]

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sim players agree you are a cheeser and aparently you do care because if you didn't you wouldn't have responded like a D'bag and justified my response, DA!

"Simulation" means you're trying to recreate something as it is in real life.

In real life, teams put TEs in the slot and out wide, and yes, teams also put WRs in the backfield.

If a team does it in real life, it ain't cheese to do it in the game -- even if that means you have to shuffle your depth chart.

[IIx Nautica xII]

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"Simulation" means you're trying to recreate something as it is in real life.

In real life, teams put TEs in the slot and out wide, and yes, teams also put WRs in the backfield.

If a team does it in real life, it ain't cheese to do it in the game -- even if that means you have to shuffle your depth chart.

read the whole post, if you use the package subs its cool, but to manually go in and switch players around from their natural position is cheese. I love how people take one part of someones post to respond to instead of the whole thing.

[Strummer101er]

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read the whole post, if you use the package subs its cool, but to manually go in and switch players around from their natural position is cheese. I love how people take one part of someones post to respond to instead of the whole thing.

Wait, wait, wait -- it's cheese because the devs didn't put in packages that teams use in real life?

So now we're cheesers because we're using the depth chart to compensate for the lack of formation subs?

You have yet to defend my point: How is it cheese if a team does it in real life? That's the very definition of SIMULATION football -- playing like teams play in real life.

Furthermore, since player height and weight have little if any impact in this game, I fail to see how splitting a TE out wide or in the slot gives me an advantage.

[IIx Nautica xII]

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Wait, wait, wait -- it's cheese because the devs didn't put in packages that teams use in real life?

So now we're cheesers because we're using the depth chart to compensate for the lack of formation subs?

You have yet to defend my point: How is it cheese if a team does it in real life? That's the very definition of SIMULATION football -- playing like teams play in real life.

Furthermore, since player height and weight have little if any impact in this game, I fail to see how splitting a TE out wide or in the slot gives me an advantage.

apparently you don't play the game enough to see that there are formation subs to do that, and like I said if you manually go in and place players not in their natural positions to gain an unfair advantage is cheese, I'm just beating a dead horse here

[IIx Nautica xII]

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Oh and like i said in my post, I was joking around. Get a sense of humor and get off your high horse.

[Strummer101er]

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apparently you don't play the game enough to see that there are formation subs to do that, and like I said if you manually go in and place players not in their natural positions to gain an unfair advantage is cheese, I'm just beating a dead horse here

Sigh.

I quote from Bull Durham: "This a like a Martian speaking to a Fungo."

Your argument is totally illogical. You agree it's realistic to split TEs out wide or put 'em in the slot using packages, but you say it's "cheese" if you shuffle the depth chart to achieve the same result.

So you're basically saying it's OK to split TEs out wide, but only when the DEVS say we can. We all know the NCAA devs have pretty limited knowledge of football, and we all know they can't put every package in the game that teams use in real life.

Using the depth chart to move players around is the closest thing we have to using formation subs -- which has been the top NCAA wish list item for years now.

Your argument makes no sense.

[tyman21]

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Arkansas playbook has tons of great plays for TEs, their TE is great too

[IIx Nautica xII]

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Sigh.

I quote from Bull Durham: "This a like a Martian speaking to a Fungo."

Your argument is totally illogical. You agree it's realistic to split TEs out wide or put 'em in the slot using packages, but you say it's "cheese" if you shuffle the depth chart to achieve the same result.

So you're basically saying it's OK to split TEs out wide, but only when the DEVS say we can. We all know the NCAA devs have pretty limited knowledge of football, and we all know they can't put every package in the game that teams use in real life.

Using the depth chart to move players around is the closest thing we have to using formation subs -- which has been the top NCAA wish list item for years now.

Your argument makes no sense.

Your face makes no sense!

[JacobH0922]

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FYI, ASU's playbook and Oregon State's playbook are 90% identical. Oregon State has more Ace forms and less Shotgun forms.

I'll take a peak at it next time I play and see which I prefer,thanks.

[JacobH0922]

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Excuse the double post,but I made two points in my post the other day and the 2nd one seemed to have been overlooked. I'll restate my point: Just because a team has done it in the past,doesn't make it sim. In your opinion it's fine to sub the HB at QB because it has been done before? I believe both John Elway and Randall Cunnigham have punted in the past,so it's fine to sub a QB as a punter? DT as FB? WR as Safety? Through the history of football I'm sure there has been every type of substitution possible. So using the "someone has done it before" isn't a good backing to an argument.
If you have to make substitutions to get an advantage,then feel free to continue,I don't care what tactics you use agianst me personally. Winning at a videogame isn't that important to me. What you seem to realize is that in real life players and coaches can see what players are on the field and have the correct defensive package to defend it. In the game though if you sub you HBs and TEs at WR the offeensive package still reads as 4/5 WRs and vice versa.

[Strummer101er]

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Through the history of football I'm sure there has been every type of substitution possible. So using the "someone has done it before" isn't a good backing to an argument.

Good points, but I'm not talking about a team that may have done a bizarro substitution once in the history of football. That's not my argument. You're using the most extreme examples.

I'm talking about routine stuff here. Splitting TEs out wide or in the slot is routine for a lot of teams. So is putting a speedy LB at DE on passing downs.

And in cases where the game doesn't have the packages to let us do this stuff, I don't see anything wrong with using the depth chart to adjust.

Anyway, I play strictly offline. Obviously people who play online are much more sensitive about this stuff, and I can see how lining up a WR with speed 99 at QB (which I would never do offline or online) would drive me f*#$ing crazy and have me crying "cheese!"

[Nauticaman629]

wow you just completly contradicted yourself from what you were saying way to stick to your guns buddy

[Strummer101er]

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wow you just completly contradicted yourself from what you were saying way to stick to your guns buddy

Uh, no. Read my posts again.

My argument is this: If a team routinely does it on Saturdays or Sundays, I see nothing wrong with doing it in the game, whether you swap players in and out with packages or use the depth chart to put players where you need 'em.

Outside of the Wildcat and a few Florida gimmicks, I don't know of any teams that routinely line up a WR at QB or in the backfield. So in my book, someone who did that frequently in a game to exploit the AI would be a cheeser -- although I wouldn't mind if a player did it once or twice a game as a trick play.

That's just college football. It's annoying, but it happens and you scheme around it.

Anyway, we were mainly talking about moving the TE around. I see nothing wrong at all with putting TEs in the slot or out wide. There's nothing wrong with putting your #1 WR in the slot, either. Teams do it all the time in real life.

But some crybabies here seem to think it's not "sim" football if you shift players around like real teams do on game day.