Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

[AubOrange]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

Why so funny that people simulate? It is a SIMULATION game. I personally pride myself on being just as good a coach as I am player. If I see a matchup where I know my group will bring a win home, I set my strategy and sim. Thats one more hour I have to apply somewhere else other than in front of the game. If I'm playing the game and have it well under control, I may supersim to a certain point, if not to finish.

Not like it matters but the way Season Showdown is set up, you cant beat the brakes off the CPU but so much before you start getting the unsportsmanlike calls. Of course if you dial it back, CPU will most certainly try to clown you and absolutely will not take sportsmanship into consideration...might as well supersim it out after a certain point.

There's nothing wrong with simulating for convenience, but saying that you have to do it to enjoy the game is a tad ridiculous. Hell, I've done some full-sim dynasties before, but not skipping back and forth between playing and simming.

[PocketScout]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

That's cheesing in my book. Exploiting a flaw in the game.

Why don't you play with a different playbook? Or just try to emulate what happens in real life on Saturdays -- because that's kind of the point.

Come on dude there's got to be a way for you to enjoy the game without supersimming the defense. Just resist the urge to go back to the money plays.

If a HB slam for 3 yards against an out number box is a money play then this game is seriously flawed I added more to my original post to expand on how I actually run my offense.

I still love to play full games, but now my time is more important. I used to be able to spend a couple hours playing a day but now 30 minutes is a good day, I rather play with and teach my daughter for 4 hours a day than play my xbox. Wow cant believe I said that, I must be becoming a grown up or some crazy stuff like that.

With that said I would probably go back to playing the entire game if ea implemented an in game save, but that will never happen.

[dreezymac]

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If a HB slam for 3 yards against an out number box is a money play then this game is seriously flawed I added more to my original post to expand on how I actually run my offense.

I still love to play full games, but now my time is more important. I used to be able to spend a couple hours playing a day but now 30 minutes is a good day, I rather play with and teach my daughter for 4 hours a day than play my xbox. Wow cant believe I said that, I must be becoming a grown up or some crazy stuff like that.

With that said I would probably go back to playing the entire game if ea implemented an in game save, but that will never happen.

Beautiful man...just beautiful. Virtual high five.

[AubOrange]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

If a HB slam for 3 yards against an out number box is a money play then this game is seriously flawed I added more to my original post to expand on how I actually run my offense.

Yeah, but the audible-ing and stuff. That's what makes it a money play.

I can understand the saving time stuff. But you implied that you couldn't enjoy the game without crippling yourself with supersim, and that's just crazy.

(P.S. lol It sounds like they made this year's Madden just for you -- Cut game times in half, OC calls plays for you [so you can't pick money plays]. I always wondered who the OC thing could possibly appeal to, and now I've found him. lol)

[NoDakHusker]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

I think if someone wants to play in a so-called "cheesy" way, let them. They paid $60 for the game, so they should be able to play it however they want(no matter how much I or anyone else disagrees with that style of play)

[PocketScout]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

Yeah, but the audible-ing and stuff. That's what makes it a money play.

I can understand the saving time stuff. But you implied that you couldn't enjoy the game without crippling yourself with supersim, and that's just crazy.

(P.S. lol It sounds like they made this year's Madden just for you -- Cut game times in half, OC calls plays for you [so you can't pick money plays]. I always wondered who the OC thing could possibly appeal to, and now I've found him. lol)

The defense adjusts to blitz 90% of the time that I go into my audible, that's why I play on Heisman, if I was on AA the would not adjust for the audible. Its not like i'm calling 5 audibles and sending a man in motion, moving my first receiver to slot to get an advantage. So with your logic audibles should not be in this game then, even though the defense adjusts to it with a blitz? Or is it that I should not read defenses until I snap the ball? Reading zone and man is ok, but just counting people in the box is not?

I haven't played madden since 02, so you can count me out on that one. No amount of features or improvements will ever get me to buy Madden. Probably the only thing that would force that is canceling the NCAA series.

[AubOrange]

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The defense adjusts to blitz 90% of the time that I go into my audible, that's why I play on Heisman, if I was on AA the would not adjust for the audible. Its not like i'm calling 5 audibles and sending a man in motion, moving my first receiver to slot to get an advantage. So with your logic audibles should not be in this game then, even though the defense adjusts to it with a blitz? Or is it that I should not read defenses until I snap the ball? Reading zone and man is ok, but just counting people in the box is not?

You shouldn't call a play with the intent on audible-ing at the line, is what I'm saying.

[PocketScout]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

You shouldn't call a play with the intent on audible-ing at the line, is what I'm saying.

So the Colts should not be allowed to play in the NFL because they cheese? What about no huddle teams? They come to the line and read the defense then make the play call? Or what about your OC? Did you ever see the offense he ran as a head coach? I did, extremely audible happy!

Edit: I don't have the intent of going to the line and changing my play, but my first read is to see if the middle is open. If I come to the line and the defense has 4 men in the box, it is stupid for me to not take a 5 on 4. Its reading the defense not cheese.

[nb27]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

You shouldn't call a play with the intent on audible-ing at the line, is what I'm saying.

Peyton Manning is a huge cheeser

[AubOrange]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

So the Colts should not be allowed to play in the NFL because they cheese? What about no huddle teams? They come to the line and read the defense then make the play call? Or what about your OC? Did you ever see the offense he ran as a head coach? I did, extremely audible happy!

What I'm saying is, your money plays wouldn't work if you called them in the huddle. They work after you call a different play, then audible -- and the whole time you have the full intention of doing that audible. That's not playing the game the way it was designed to be played, and it's no wonder you can't enjoy it without supersimming.

And are you talking about Gus Malzahn? Are you talking about when he was coaching in high school, because that's pretty ridiculous. He's never head coached at the collegiate level, and at Auburn, he rarely calls plays after seeing the defense. (Hell, he stands on the sidelines -- if that were the case, or his intention, he'd be in the booth.) His attack is a speed no-huddle -- snapping the ball as soon as the referee blows the whistle, not the line up, look at the coaches, and then snap it type deal.

[AubOrange]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

Peyton Manning is a huge cheeser

And yet, this is NCAA 11 and not Peyton Manning 11. The vast majority of quarterbacks (in fact, all but one) are not Peyton Manning.

[nb27]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

I dont think it is cheesing, but the game is not very good at picking up on the user's tendencies. Its not a very tough read for a QB to audible to a run up the middle if the defense is leaving it open, that is something the defense should do a better job of preventing. I would like to see the CPU adjust to your playcalling/ audibles better so that you have to change the way you call the game from the 1st quarter to the 4th

[PocketScout]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

What I'm saying is, your money plays wouldn't work if you called them in the huddle. They work after you call a different play, then audible -- and the whole time you have the full intention of doing that audible. That's not playing the game the way it was designed to be played, and it's no wonder you can't enjoy it without supersimming.

And are you talking about Gus Malzahn? Are you talking about when he was coaching in high school, because that's pretty ridiculous. He's never head coached at the collegiate level, and at Auburn, he rarely calls plays after seeing the defense. (Hell, he stands on the sidelines -- if that were the case, or his intention, he'd be in the booth.) His attack is a speed no-huddle -- snapping the ball as soon as the referee blows the whistle, not the line up, look at the coaches, and then snap it type deal.

His system was speed no huddle with the QB making the play call at the line. This part of the argument you will not understand until four-six years down the road when he gets full control of his own team and is no longer an OC or when you see an old film of Josh Floyd picking a part Junction City.

A money play is an exploit that the game can not stop, not a run up the middle that gets between -2 and +3 to +5 yards. A money play is something that works all the time that exploits a flaw in the game. IE turning around backwards and pump faking so the defense lets everyone run free. The defense adjusts to audibles, so its not an exploit.

[PocketScout]

Re: Strategies to Prevent Yourself From Re-setting the Game

I dont think it is cheesing, but the game is not very good at picking up on the user's tendencies. Its not a very tough read for a QB to audible to a run up the middle if the defense is leaving it open, that is something the defense should do a better job of preventing. I would like to see the CPU adjust to your playcalling/ audibles better so that you have to change the way you call the game from the 1st quarter to the 4th

Actually they do read it pretty well. After a drive or two they start blitzing when you audible and coming out in a lot more 7 in the box schemes since they see you have been running up the middle a lot. That's when you start staying with the original pass play. Since its 4 on 4 in the air now.

I do have to say they did a good job at programing the tendencies from what Ive seen because, even though out of the huddle I call pass, by the third drive they will start to stack the box because the CPU has seen my tendency to run up the middle. I thought this was really cool that the defense would make these type of adjustments. The only problem for the defense is I know how to shred man or zone and with it being 4 on 4 I should be able to complete 65% of my passes and punish them until they back out of the box and then I just go back to work there. Take what the defense is giving.

[AubOrange]

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His system was speed no huddle with the cpu making the play call at the line. This part of the argument you will not understand until four-six years down the road when he gets full control of his own team and is no longer an OC.

What? Are we talking about real life here?

I think you meant QB, instead of cpu. If that's the case, this is false. Mostly, the team gets the call from the sideline during the shuffle to the new line of scrimmage, and the ball is snapped as soon as the whistle is blown or the entire team is lined up. The QB doesn't make any choices or calls. If you think that's because Malzahn hasn't implemented his offense to his liking, you're being ignorant because he has full reigns of the offense under defensive minded HC Gene Chizik. If you think that a high school quarterback can make those decisions and a collegiate quarterback can't, then you're just an idiot.

Please don't act like you know more about my team's OC than I do.

You're definition of cheesing is too narrow. Backward pump-faking is not the only way to do it. Cheesing is exploiting flaws in the game, and this is what you do. It's fine by me, though -- I'm enjoying my dynasty perfectly fine.