New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

[ODogg]

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We're talking about a company that once sold AFL jerseys as DLC for Madden. Yeah they don't have a history.

And in the "good old days" before DLC I remember actually playing football games without the real NFL teams OR players period. What is wrong with EA charging for the AFL uniforms? It's an EXTRA, you didnt have to have those to play the regular, traditional NFL game.

I guess my question to you is this, why does EA owe you the throwback AFL uniforms free of charge?

[ODogg]

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And you guys want to talk about rising dev costs? What about the money EA spent acquiring NCAA exclusivity and ESPN exclusivity. Those costs are the result of actions they took to kill competition. Costs EA ultimately has to recoup somehow.

As 1UP points our in regards to the Madden deal:

http://www.1up.com/features/killing-the-competition

EA dropped 750-850 million for the ESPN deal (per New York Times). No idea how much they spent for college but it's probably less than the 300-500 million they spent for the NFL deal.

I'm not quick to throw a pity party for them and their need to increase revenue thru DLC when they spent a ton of money that wasn't necessary. More about their own greed.

You're barking up the wrong tree there, EA had to pay for the exclusive agreements because the NFL and NCAA were selling them. If EA hadn't then another developer would have. And we would be having the exact same discussion as we are right now about DLC to recoup costs like this.

[MrJ2006]

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I agree. It is lame that EA is charging $ to advance the week.

I'll vote with my money and rent NCAA 12 (just like I rented the lackluster NCAA 09, 10, and 11 games).

They are not charging money to advance the week, you can still do that for the money you spent on the game. They are charging you to access the web functions to do this. It's not like you CAN'T advance the week if you don't spend the extra money. Is it REALLY that hard for people to comprehend this?

[MrJ2006]

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And in the "good old days" before DLC I remember actually playing football games without the real NFL teams OR players period. What is wrong with EA charging for the AFL uniforms? It's an EXTRA, you didnt have to have those to play the regular, traditional NFL game.

I guess my question to you is this, why does EA owe you the throwback AFL uniforms free of charge?

This one is hard to defend, as throwback uni's were included in past Madden games

[ODogg]

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They are not charging money to advance the week, you can still do that for the money you spent on the game. They are charging you to access the web functions to do this. It's not like you CAN'T advance the week if you don't spend the extra money. Is it REALLY that hard for people to comprehend this?

Exactly, it's the very definition of BONUS content.

[It Must Be The Shoes]

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Whatever happened to 'new' (or 'bonus') features/tools being implemented in order to earn our new $60.00 on an annual basis?

I'm still SHOCKED to see what football video gaming has come to today; especially given the potential we saw during the early part of the last decade.

[poopoop]

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This one is hard to defend, as throwback uni's were included in past Madden games

lol. it's past "hard to defend" nonetheless some people will try

You're barking up the wrong tree there, EA had to pay for the exclusive agreements because the NFL and NCAA were selling them. If EA hadn't then another developer would have. And we would be having the exact same discussion as we are right now about DLC to recoup costs like this.

[hurricanefootball4]

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I'm big on cost-per-use.

The type of gamer that is going to use features like this is going to end up playing this game so much that he will spend pennies per hour used of this game.

Some features go above and beyond what a casual gamer would use and this is one of them.

I'm aware of the slippery slope of having to pay extra for EVERY new feature, but this isn't one of those situations. This feature caters to a specific niche.

[It Must Be The Shoes]

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lol. it's past "hard to defend" nonetheless some people will try

The ole' "B-b-but we had to do it...or else somebody else would have bought it" is nothing but a clever PR spin that places the blame elsewhere. What's their excuse for buying up exclusive rights to *every* other recognizable branded football league domestic and abroad? Gee, let me see, maybe to curtail the development of every other competing football game on the market...thus gaining control over the entire genre and being able to stifle innovation and control pricing!?!?

There have been numerous references refuting this idea that EA was 'forced' into an exclusive. EA execs were courting/lobbying NFL execs for an exclusive relationship well before it ever happened. The whole idea of their being some fair open bidding where any company could have won is a hoax to begin with. Everybody involved knew if an exclusive was ever available EA was the only publisher with deep enough pockets to gobble it up.

[poopoop]

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yeah I know right

The deal, one EA admits to having lobbied for over the past few years, is an exclusive five-year licensing deal granting EA the sole rights to the NFL's teams, stadiums, and players. H

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6114977/big-deal-ea-and-nfl-ink-exclusive-licensing-agreement

Gonna go out on a short limb and say the same was true for the NCAA/ESPN deals.

Now the cost of those deals get passed on to us, there's those "rising dev costs" that "force" EA to release DLC.

[hurricanefootball4]

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Whatever happened to 'new' (or 'bonus') features/tools being implemented in order to earn our new $60.00 on an annual basis?

You must have missed these...

• High Dynamic Range Rendering (HDR) Lighting
• More player equipment, Dreadlocks, and 3D Crowds
• Bands in the stands, Coaches on the sidelines, and Cannons.
• 3D Grass and Particles
• Improved Weather conditions(including fog)
• Pylon Physics (pylons no longer static)
• New Offensive and Defensive plays and Formations(more info below)
• New/Updated Team Entrances and Traditions(more info below)
• Bowl and Conference Championship game Patches on jerseys
• Can Customize the music for team entrances(new Stadium Sound Events)
• New/Updated Stadiums
• New/Updated team uniforms
• Coaches on the sidelines
• Dynamic Attendance(play now games will always have 100% attendance)
• New Conference alignments for the 2011 season are represented
• Collision-Based Tackling, including double-hit tackles and three-man gang tackles
• Improved Zone and Man Defensive coverages
• Custom Playbooks(more info below)
• New/Updated Presentational features Including: GameTrack, Between quarters highlights, score overlays, new stadium camera pans, special openings for BCS bowls and rivalry games, and more.
• Variable Crowd noise, based on number of people in the stands.
• New individual and Team Celebrations
• User-controlled dive catches
• New Bull Rush Animations
• Coach mode, along with a broadcast cam
• Fully Customizable Conferences(4-16 teams per conference) *5/19
• Many Dynasty improvements, including Coaching Carousel(more info below) *5/19
• Can create, edit, and even share coaches *5/19
• Many Road to Glory Changes
• Different Running Styles *5/26
• Concussions added to the game, injures are now tunable via Live Tuner Sets *5/26
• Custom Stadium Sound slots increased from 50 to 200 *5/26
• Improved QB Scramble Logic *5/26

[justblaze09]

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Some of you get it and some of you don't.

Like the some who do get it (and I'm not talking about people defending why EA is charging for a premium) vote with your money and don't pay for it. Period. If your running one OD, then let your OD know that I don't think it's worth my 3 or 7 dollars to advance from the computer. Then wash your hands with it.

Everyone who said something of the "I'll vote with my money" has said that and kept it moving.

[kbmnm247]

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my post from a different thread.....

have you ever noticed that nobody ever complains about the price of BMWs? nobody ever says "that car costs 45 grand and is unfair to the consumer!!!" when you cant afford it, you dont buy it. Video games, just like cars are luxury items. The makers don't owe you any kind of break because you may or may not be able to afford their product. If you can justify buying it, do it. If not, don't. I don't play polo or go on expensive hunting trips because those hobbies are out of my budget. Its not "unfair" that I miss out on those kinds of things.

If you can afford it (or want it bad enough) then buy it. If you can't, find another hobby.This is how capitalism works. If you think the pricetag is too much for the product/services offered, then you dont purchase it. The industry doesnt owe you anything.

Talk about a stretch and a total wack analogy.

BMW isn't the only car out there to buy, like Madden and NCAA are.
Also, I can afford the $60 game which should include all of the features they are boasting. I shouldn't have to pay extra for the windshield wipers or the stereo system that they say comes with the car. Terrible analogy this would be like you paying for an all features BMW and then having to pay extra to get windshield wipers on it.

[4solo]

I'm tired of people talking about how they are getting taking advantage of. You can't be taken advantage of for things that are luxury. To not feel ripped off all you have to do is DON'T BUY THE GAME! No one forcing you to. Now if its something like gas prices, which can almost be consider something essential, then all these arguments would hold true but for something that you are choosing to buy.... C'mon Man.

[4solo]

And another thing how are people saying they are being deceived when the game isn't even out yet and they wrote a blog on the subject. It would be different if they said, "hey new online features" then on release day you popped the game in only to find out you were being charged for the new features. A month and a half out from the release date is ample time to disclose this info. And they wrote the blog about having to pay for it within a day of saying it was a new feature. IDK seems like they did there job to me.