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  • Sandman1924
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    • Jun 2011
    • 5

    #61
    Originally posted by He1nousOne1
    Whew! That is alot to respond to so thank you for putting all of that into your response.

    I didn't know that about Oklahoma and Oklahoma State being tied at the hip. I remarked earlier about how at this stage of the buildup to a BCS dominated by Superconferences you are going to have Institutions "playing poker" with their bluffs. That is easy to do when the major players have yet to begin "bidding". When those bids begin to be tossed into the pot you will begin to see faces changing and statements being rescinded. Of course that may just be my opinion but I highly doubt any Conference lucky enough to land Oklahoma into it is going to raise an objection to them being allowed to have Oklahoma State on their schedule each and every year. Iowa gets to have Iowa State on theirs every single year just fine and I highly doubt that would change if the B1G goes to 16 and Iowa State is not in that final cut.

    Like I said, I could be wrong but I really do not think it is in Oklahoma's best interests to go to the Pac instead of the SEC simply because they want to remain in the same conference with Oklahoma State. We are talking a couple years down the road of course but sooner or later Texas is going to make a choice and I think it is between B1G and SEC. The public talk about going to the PAC in my opinion is just as likely for Texas to be a ploy to get the B1G and the SEC to ante up on their offers to Texas. Of course they both want the biggest name in Texas football in their Conferences.

    If Texas is willing to play against Yankee teams for most of the year then they will go to the B1G due to Academics and a great shot at equal consideration for the National Championship spotlight. If the whole geographic and cultural differences gap is just too far to cross for that move to the B1G then I personally think they will get over the Academic issue with the SEC. I still just see that as maneuvering for now. When pressure begins to build for them to make a choice you will see these bluff arguments seem to not matter as much.

    An Independent Texas in my opinion has a harder time getting to the National Championship then a Big12 Texas and Football is KING in the state of Texas, that just wont fly. When/if Texas throws in its 10 gallon hat to the SEC you will then see Oklahoma "realize" that its rivalry with Texas means more for the health of its football program then the in state rivalry with Oklahoma State. If the SEC can receive back room agreements from Florida State and/or Clemson/Georgia Tech for addition to the East then they will have that to add to show to Texas that time is winding down on the offer. Choose or we offer it to A&M. At that point Longhorns and Sooners reach out to hold hands as they realize just how much they love each other deep down and how they cannot be apart. Watch that Cowboy love fade away.

    The only other far off option I could see happening is that Alabama and Auburn move to the East conference and Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M join the SEC West conference. With the East conference being so weak right now Alabama and Auburn might find that option to be feasible. Imagine an Alabama vs Texas/Oklahoma SEC championship game? Yeah, that's big.

    Edit: Hell I forgot to respond to the TCU talk. Folks seem to take this move to the Big East not so seriously. TCU is not on par yet with the bigger Texas programs. They have a lot of hype around them based upon how they have played against lesser teams. Yeah they did great against Wisconsin but I base my judgements upon more then one game in a year. If they really wanted to go big they would have joined the Big12 along with their fellow Texas teams. They didn't, they ran over to the Big East for an easy BCS consideration. They are willing to play yankee's and travel long distance for every single away game rather then stay in the region and play the bigger Texas teams. The Big12 in my opinion would have eaten TCU alive over the course of seasons.

    If anything they will help the Big East entice some of the lesser Texas teams to join the Big East as well. As soon as Texas makes a move, the chatter by the teams down below will begin immediately. When Texas leaves the Big12 dies, it will be the signal flare that starts the race. I would look for Baylor to follow their Christian rivals TCU over to the Big East when that happens.

    My long term prediction for the Big East will be that it has up to possibly four teams from Texas in it.

    TCU
    Baylor
    Houston
    Texas Tech/SMU

    Texas Tech would be the more obvious choice perhaps but I dont see the current Big East teams wanting to be steamrolled too much by the state of Texas so taking two Conference USA texas teams makes more sense in my opinion. That and I think the Ohio State situation is going to create an increased sympathy for what SMU went through.

    Texas Tech and Oklahoma State can run over to the Mountain West. They will dominate from the start and then they can take advantage of the system in a way TCU became famous for doing.
    In an effort to prevent more essays, I'll try to keep this a little shorter

    The OU-Okie State combo was surprising to me when I first heard it, too. I always figured that the OU vs. TX rivalry would control conference politics, but surprisingly it hasn't. OU's president David Boren along with members of the athl. dept. implied last summer that they had no interest in playing in a conference without OSU. The reasoning is that the board of regents understands how much the state of Oklahoma benefits from OU's notoriety. As long as OSU can stay associated with OU, it's image is exposed on a larger scale, too. Separating those ties would be damaging to OSU over time. So it's not so much about the rivalry or some kind of state pride or any kind of love/hate for the Cowboys as much as its about not hanging the other state institution out to dry. In other words, the Board of Regents, said they won't let OU go out on its own, regardless of how good it may be for OU.

    And as far as OU vs. TX is concerned, they've only been in the same conference for the lifetime of the Big XII, yet they managed to play eachother every year for well over 100 years despite being in different conferences for the vast majority of the time. That's why I think it's more likely Texas goes after the West Coast TV and recruiting zones as opposed to the SEC where there are so many schools fighting for the same players. It would work out well for Texas to control it's own Pac ## division as well as milk its TV network deal while it beats Utah, Colorado, ASU, Arizona, UCLA and matches up regularly with USC. On the other hand, they don't stand to make any more money in the SEC or B1G than in the PAC, but would have to deal with much more competition in the SEC, albeit a better match for the small sports programs, and would be completely foreign in the B1G. Living in Texas, I can tell you that there's no interest at all for the fans down here to see "Yankee" teams, and I doubt you'll see significant amounts of Texas fans traveling to colder climates like Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc. when it's comfortable in Texas in the fall. Going to Ames, IA is already far enough, and only worth it because it's usually a guaranteed W on the schedule.

    Also, I doubt the SEC will ever make the first move in any of this. Mizzou started it last time, and I wouldn't be surprised if they start it up again. They could send requests to join the B1G or the SEC or maybe even the Big East if they think it might increase their odds of a BCS game. I think we all agree that the Big XII will eventually collapse as the remnants of the Big 8 start playing their odds and looking for better shots. Once we're there, I bet we'll see the PAC take their shot again at the TX/OK teams. B1G will match the PAC team for team as best as they can do, and the SEC may or may not expand. They're strong enough they really don't need to if they don't feel pressure to. And until any of these other superconferences start to bring in enough attention to start stealing recruits out of the SEC, I doubt more and more that the SEC makes any new moves.

    Eh, but what do I know.... I agree that there's going to be so much wheeling and dealing under the table that there's no way to predict how anything will really go down and we can't put any real confidence that what anybody has said to this point will necessarily be maintained once the dollar signs start flying.

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    • Sandman1924
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      • Jun 2011
      • 5

      #62
      So much for keeping it short.

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      • mercalnd
        MVP
        • Oct 2004
        • 4261

        #63
        Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - New Custom Conferences

        Originally posted by blamalex
        A 9-3 Alabama team is still twice as good as an undefeated Boise State...
        Just as a 12-1 Alabama is twice as good as a 12-0 Utah... oh wait!

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        • blamalex
          Rookie
          • Jun 2011
          • 36

          #64
          That was one year...What's Utah done since...Good luck with USC and Oregon.

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          • blamalex
            Rookie
            • Jun 2011
            • 36

            #65
            I'm not a Bama fan either..

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            • cbuhl79
              NCAA Football 13 Technical Director
              • Mar 2009
              • 44

              #66
              Originally posted by blamalex
              But if all of these super confrences played out then how would BCS tie-ins work, in real life. I think it's crap that the BIG East winner gets an auto bid. It's a horrible game every year. Oklahoma slammed UCONN last year. If something like this happened then the only BCS confrences should be SEC, PAC-12, B1G, and ACC. That is assuming Texas and Oklahoma leaves the Big 12. A 9-3 Alabama team is still twice as good as an undefeated Boise State...so the at large bids need to consider conference prestige and strength of schedule.
              If there's any conference that doesn't deserve a BCS bid, it's the ACC.

              ACC BCS Record = 2-11
              Big East BCS Record = 6-7

              Even if you take out the games for teams that moved to the ACC, the Big East's record is better at 3-5

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              • Sandman1924
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                • Jun 2011
                • 5

                #67
                Originally posted by cbuhl79
                If there's any conference that doesn't deserve a BCS bid, it's the ACC.

                ACC BCS Record = 2-11
                Big East BCS Record = 6-7

                Even if you take out the games for teams that moved to the ACC, the Big East's record is better at 3-5
                I don't know if removing anybody's bid would solve anything. If anything, I would say give a bid out to the PAC, Big XII, B1G, MWC, ACC, SEC, and Big East. However, you can place a caveat in there. Some kind of rule that states that the conference forfeits its bid if it can't produce a champion ranked in the top 14. Or at least something to that effect. That would keep the UConn situations from showing up and we'd still have at least 3 at-large spots to fill once you factor in the National Championship game, which, in my opinion should automatically go to the 3 highest ranked teams remaining, regardless of conference.

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                • Ziza9Noles94
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 1416

                  #68
                  Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - New Custom Conferences

                  Originally posted by cbuhl79
                  If there's any conference that doesn't deserve a BCS bid, it's the ACC.

                  ACC BCS Record = 2-11
                  Big East BCS Record = 6-7

                  Even if you take out the games for teams that moved to the ACC, the Big East's record is better at 3-5
                  Overall tradition and quality of teams in the conferences also carries a lot of weight. Just looking at those numbers doesn't really tell the whole story of the two conferences. You could also compare number of BCS title appearances (counting Vtech, The U and BC as big east teams) ACC 3 Big East 3 or BCS Championships won ACC 1 Big East 1 and compare those. But what does that really mean? http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809942 I think a program like Georgia Tech having a 7-6 season will always be looked at as being slightly better than a Uconn team for example with the same record. Just my opinion.
                  I bleed Garnet and Gold. In The 'Slim Reaper' We Trust. Go Noles!

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                  • He1nousOne1
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                    • Jun 2011
                    • 329

                    #69
                    Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - New Custom Conferences

                    Originally posted by renatus
                    play yankee teams? does that make such a difference for texans fans?
                    Yes, us Northerners don't really care all that much about the concept of North and South but go down south and the term Yankee is a regularly used term and it isn't used affectionately. The idea of Texas joining the B1G is basically an idea of treason to many Texans I am sure. The only thing that might overcome that mindset is Money and lots of it. Then perhaps the officials at Texas might be willing to brave the firestorm they will have to face for joining the Northern Conference.

                    Originally posted by blamalex
                    But if all of these super confrences played out then how would BCS tie-ins work, in real life. I think it's crap that the BIG East winner gets an auto bid. It's a horrible game every year. Oklahoma slammed UCONN last year. If something like this happened then the only BCS confrences should be SEC, PAC-12, B1G, and ACC. That is assuming Texas and Oklahoma leaves the Big 12. A 9-3 Alabama team is still twice as good as an undefeated Boise State...so the at large bids need to consider conference prestige and strength of schedule.
                    Remember, if the Big12 continues to break down as most of us predict it to do, the Big East is a great conference for some teams to look to as long as it still maintains its BCS status. As we can see TCU sees it as a great opportunity to maintain its place in the rankings while having AQ status. You can bet some other teams will see it as a place they can improve their programs. Such teams might be Baylor, Texas Tech (if they get tossed aside by Texas), Houston and maybe SMU. That is just in Texas and you cant tell me that the existing Big East teams wouldn't be drooling at the opportunity of playing games every year in Texas. Once you tie that up you have other Southern teams that would join up and all of a sudden you have a Big East that in my opinion could end up being much stronger then the ACC and most definately deserving of its AQ status.

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                    • He1nousOne1
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                      • Jun 2011
                      • 329

                      #70
                      Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - New Custom Conferences

                      Originally posted by Sandman1924
                      In an effort to prevent more essays, I'll try to keep this a little shorter

                      ............

                      Eh, but what do I know.... I agree that there's going to be so much wheeling and dealing under the table that there's no way to predict how anything will really go down and we can't put any real confidence that what anybody has said to this point will necessarily be maintained once the dollar signs start flying.
                      Well as far as the Oklahoma/Oklahoma State situation goes then I guess we will have to just wait and see as to whether or not they stick to those guns when the fan begins to turn brown. If the SEC decides to go 16 then if they get Alabama and Auburn to play ball then that would make a very natural East West divide after you add Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and either Texas A&M or Texas Tech.

                      Yeah that might lead to a massive increase in challenge for those Big12 teams but their conference would in that situation be

                      Texas
                      Texas A&M
                      Oklahoma
                      Oklahoma State
                      Ole Miss
                      Mississippi State
                      LSU
                      Arkansas

                      Is it really that much more difficult than the Big12 South was? You might say so but Arkansas and LSU are rivalries of Texas that you just dont see much from anymore but could easily be rekindled border rivalries and that is definately good for Texas. Texas could regularly beat Ole Miss and Mississippi State. This is not a bad situation for any of those four transplants from the Big12.

                      You mentioned Missouri starting it off. In my opinion it is Notre Dame that will start it off when NBC says that their ratings have tanked too far to keep that relationship going. They will jump ship for the B1G and the B1g will welcome them immediately in which case they will then look for another team to add to counter that and to me the obvious choice for that will be Missouri. When that happens if no other Big12 teams have jumped yet then it will be down to 9 and all thats left from the North is Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State. That will be when the Sun will begin setting upon the Big12.

                      I still think that Texas teams travelling to the West coast regularly to play games sounds great on paper but there are plenty of examples to show that travelling West through two time zones to play games is just not a good idea. It really messes with your team. That is when you do it just once, a move to the PAC would mean doing that multiple times every year. It is costly for one and the bang for the buck is much less then the possibility of winning the SEC West division that I outlined above.
                      Last edited by He1nousOne1; 06-17-2011, 06:08 PM. Reason: decrease the length

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                      • smace767
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                        • Apr 2009
                        • 290

                        #71
                        Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - New Custom Conferences

                        And the Big East has a winning record vs the SEC the last 12 years.

                        Uconn was beating South Carolina so bad in the 2010 papa john bowl, they ran hb iso/FB dive the whole 4th qrt and took a knee on the S Carolina 6 on 4th down.

                        The SEC has losing records against both the Big East (14-19) and the Pac-10 (9-12). proir to last season. i know lsu beat WVU and and ky beat louisville but uconn beat vandy. that makes the Big East 20-16 vs the SEC since 1998.

                        old link of the SEC fan site http://www.secsportsfan.com/sec-vs-b...-football.html dont believe the hype.

                        The ACC is 2-11 in BCS bowls yet they get a pass. the BIg East is 3-5

                        Every team and conf has ups and downs in the long lifetime of college football.

                        Guess who had these records;
                        2003= 4-9
                        2004= 6-6
                        2005=10-2
                        2006=6-7
                        2007=7-6

                        The op sports proclaimed greatest team of all time Alabama.

                        Historicly this is how the SEC breaks down. A snap shot is the final 2004 rankings when Auburn say they were cheated. .

                        SEC 2004
                        Tennessee 7-1 10-3
                        Georgia 6-2 10-2
                        Florida 4-4 7-5
                        South Carolina 4-4 6-5
                        Kentucky 1-7 2-9
                        Vanderbilt 1-7 2-9
                        WEST CONF OVERALL
                        Auburn 8-0 13-0
                        LSU 6-2 9-3
                        Alabama 3-5 6-6
                        Arkansas 3-5 5-6
                        Ole Miss 3-5 4-7
                        Mississippi State 2-6 3-8

                        Auburn out of conf schedule they played Louisiana Tech, The Citadel, and Louisiana - Monroe. and had 7 home games.

                        Notice every team accept Auburn and Geargia lost out of conf games and only half the schools had a winning record. Dont even talk about schedule. That why Auburn didnt get in the BCS game. Computer ate that schedule up. Since then the majority of SEC teams dont play very good out of conf games accept LSU and lately BAMA. And even they do neutral site games in Georgia or florida. Almost all the SEC bowl affiliations are within the SEC footprint and end up being home games.

                        Auburn has lost to USF and WVU in the last 4 years. The last time Ak went on the road out of conf, USC scored 70 on them in 2005. USC only scored 50 when they played at Ark. And that ark teamed played for the SEC championship that year.

                        If you look at the last twenty years that 2004 season is about what teams like South Carolina, vandy, kentuky, both Miss schools and Ark have done every year accept one or two fluke seasons.

                        Look at the SEC bowl record season before last. Look at the box scores and the yards on those SEC defense. Northwestern vs Aburn NU had like 700 total yards. Penn ST out gained LSU, Uconn blew out South Carolina. Ole Miss lost to an FCS school at home last year. The SEC has a Better top six then every other conf but its bottom six is overrated and ESPN hyped.

                        SEC schedule formula for the top six schools:
                        Play 3 non BCS schools=3 wins
                        top six gets Six wins vs bottom six.=9 wins
                        If you can split your 2-3 tough SEC games=10 or 11 wins

                        Since 9-0 bama beat 8-1 LSU they both stay in the top 10 and control the bowl. Since 8-1 LSU only lost to a 9-0 team the computers love both of them.
                        BCS bid.
                        Since Most Bowl games are in SEC footprint and SEC has the best and highest paid coaches. These coaches earn there money preparing for bowl games or first games of the season.
                        All that = SEC success

                        My weekly get SEC fans fired up/ pissed off post.
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                        • smace767
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                          • Apr 2009
                          • 290

                          #72
                          Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - New Custom Conferences

                          Originally posted by He1nousOne1
                          Well as far as the Oklahoma/Oklahoma State situation goes then I guess we will have to just wait and see as to whether or not they stick to those guns when the fan begins to turn brown. If the SEC decides to go 16 then if they get Alabama and Auburn to play ball then that would make a very natural East West divide after you add Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and either Texas A&M or Texas Tech.

                          Yeah that might lead to a massive increase in challenge for those Big12 teams but their conference would in that situation be

                          Texas
                          Texas A&M
                          Oklahoma
                          Oklahoma State
                          Ole Miss
                          Mississippi State
                          LSU
                          Arkansas

                          Is it really that much more difficult than the Big12 South was? You might say so but Arkansas and LSU are rivalries of Texas that you just dont see much from anymore but could easily be rekindled border rivalries and that is definately good for Texas. Texas could regularly beat Ole Miss and Mississippi State. This is not a bad situation for any of those four transplants from the Big12.

                          You mentioned Missouri starting it off. In my opinion it is Notre Dame that will start it off when NBC says that their ratings have tanked too far to keep that relationship going. They will jump ship for the B1G and the B1g will welcome them immediately in which case they will then look for another team to add to counter that and to me the obvious choice for that will be Missouri. When that happens if no other Big12 teams have jumped yet then it will be down to 9 and all thats left from the North is Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State. That will be when the Sun will begin setting upon the Big12.

                          I still think that Texas teams travelling to the West coast regularly to play games sounds great on paper but there are plenty of examples to show that travelling West through two time zones to play games is just not a good idea. It really messes with your team. That is when you do it just once, a move to the PAC would mean doing that multiple times every year. It is costly for one and the bang for the buck is much less then the possibility of winning the SEC West division that I outlined above.
                          Confs dont Run realignment. The Networks and those TV contracts and the Presidents/ chancellors run it. Texas athletic department makes the most money / revenue in all of the NCAA by far. But they view themselves as an elite academic school. The only confs Texas would even listen to the phone call without hanging up is PAC 12 or the Big 10. This is even though the ACC has the highest rated academic schools according to US news rankings.

                          Some of you are confusing real life college President / athletic department and Network Exec decisions, with EA football game NCAA 12 custom confs.

                          The Big East has the most TVs in its footprint by far and Networks pay for those tvs. Its pretty much a sure bet that by next summer the Big East and all its TV viewers will get a huge contract and likely about 17- 18 mil per team per season. If you guys just look at football then no the big East isnt worth that much. But as a total revenue generating package and the right timing you best believe the Big East is gonna get paid.
                          Facilities and coaches salaries, and recruiting budgets cost dollars. The more money you have the better you will be.

                          Comcast wants to have something to put on the Versus channel. It wants to compete with ESPN. Having Big East Basketbal on 7 days a week would be a hell of a start. Believe it or not MIllions of TVs would tune in to watch UCONN vs Syracuse, The very next night Millions more would Watch Nova vs Georgetown. the PAC 12 got paid because comcast outbid ESPN by 50 mil for PAC 12 rights and FoX came in and helped. With no more college sports programming available until 2017. u best believe Comcast will go hard for those BIG East TVs. Money always has a place in realingnment. the ACC realignment was for money. You best believe if the Big East gets paid they could start raiding some the other confs right back.

                          Teams some of you might not know that has talked to the Big East or is being evaluated already.

                          BYU- was offered football only might get a full member offer

                          Kansas-basketball school who would jump at a chance to play big east bball talked last year.

                          Kstate-see kansas

                          Houston-State of Texas/ TCU rivary

                          Central Florida- One of the largest schools in the country, in Florida USF potential rival

                          Nova- Philly tv viewers

                          The Networks want Nova thinking Philly Tv viewers. The Big East doesnt know if nova the fcs champ are good enough or ready for the jump.
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                          • TheRealCar10ck
                            Banned
                            • May 2011
                            • 180

                            #73
                            Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - New Custom Conferences

                            You Again? I thought I already fried you.

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