Still Not Fully Enjoying NCAA 12? Try Some Sliders from OSers

[Jr.]

Re: Still Not Fully Enjoying NCAA 12? Try Some Sliders from OSers

Really? I am also using Jistic's sliders. But whenever I even think about throwing a quick out, the CB starts by taking two steps to the outside before I even snap the ball. And the few times I actually have the nads to make the throw, the corner seems to break to the ball before my WR.....so now I am just plain scared to throw it.

I haven't tried any quick outs. I was talking about the 10 yard out. I find that one is usually easy to complete. Again, I find that the defense plays a lot of zone against me, so maybe that's why.

[Rivals]

Re: Still Not Fully Enjoying NCAA 12? Try Some Sliders from OSers

Been using a variation of SEC's Heisman sliders. I need to play more games, but the passing game seems to be much improved. Granted, with a zero pass accuracy, you will have a few passes go into to stands unintentionally. But you accept that as a sim player.

[Nakeja71]

Now everyone is seeing the bugs . Amazing .

[tommygunn]

Re: Still Not Fully Enjoying NCAA 12? Try Some Sliders from OSers

Instead of trying sliders, try selling it on ebay. You'll put some coin in your pocket, and have a lot more free time instead of wasting it trying to make this POS game playable. Plus is keeps $$$ away from EA for making a broken product. Vote with your wallets folks. I for one am sick of shelling out $60 for a game that looks pretty, but ultimately plays a lousy game of football.

[MaddenFranchise10]

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I appreciate the work these guys put in to testing their slider sets, and they do help a little.

But most of the gameplay issues cannot be fixed with slider adjustments.

- Sliders can't eliminate psychic DB's while keeping passing challenging.

- Sliders can't eliminate super LB's that can shift momentum instantaneously.

- Sliders can't make it so the defense doesn't know exactly what play your offense is running.

- Sliders don't affect how WR never make plays for the ball.

- Sliders have no effect on how pass interference never gets called.

- Sliders don't affect the horrendous AI play calling logic.


These just some of the glaring reasons I'm not enjoying NCAA 12. The sliders make little difference, and some of them don't work properly, or aren't sensitive enough.

And on-the-field gameplay issues aren't the worst part of the game. I can't play my favorite game mode without the game freezing. How does a slider set alleviate this problem?

Sliders can't fix bad programming. Besides the fact that it's not our job, we don't have the tools to fix anything. EA needs to do their job better. They should start by addressing the inherent gameplay problems and they should refrain from implementing defective features in future releases. They also seem to need better game testers.

[Hal Fowler]

Re: Still Not Fully Enjoying NCAA 12? Try Some Sliders from OSers

I appreciate the work these guys put in to testing their slider sets, and they do help a little.

But most of the gameplay issues cannot be fixed with slider adjustments.

- Sliders can't eliminate psychic DB's while keeping passing challenging.

- Sliders can't eliminate super LB's that can shift momentum instantaneously.

- Sliders can't make it so the defense doesn't know exactly what play your offense is running.

- Sliders don't affect how WR never make plays for the ball.

- Sliders have no effect on how pass interference never gets called.

- Sliders don't affect the horrendous AI play calling logic.


These just some of the glaring reasons I'm not enjoying NCAA 12. The sliders make little difference, and some of them don't work properly, or aren't sensitive enough.

And on-the-field gameplay issues aren't the worst part of the game. I can't play my favorite game mode without the game freezing. How does a slider set alleviate this problem?

Sliders can't fix bad programming. Besides the fact that it's not our job, we don't have the tools to fix anything. EA needs to do their job better. They should start by addressing the inherent gameplay problems and they should refrain from implementing defective features in future releases. They also seem to need better game testers.

I'm sure your heavily invested in hating the game. But you are just wrong. Decrease coverage ability, and the DB PRC doesn't have such an impace and LBs don't swat everything.

Not being so obvious will keep the defense honest. I know people claim that the defense cheats, but not anymore than a human that knows full well that you are going to run or pass, and what you are doing when you audible.

[ZekeRoberts]

Re: Still Not Fully Enjoying NCAA 12? Try Some Sliders from OSers

I appreciate the work these guys put in to testing their slider sets, and they do help a little.

But most of the gameplay issues cannot be fixed with slider adjustments.

- Sliders can't eliminate psychic DB's while keeping passing challenging.

- Sliders can't eliminate super LB's that can shift momentum instantaneously.

- Sliders can't make it so the defense doesn't know exactly what play your offense is running.

- Sliders don't affect how WR never make plays for the ball.

- Sliders have no effect on how pass interference never gets called.

- Sliders don't affect the horrendous AI play calling logic.


These just some of the glaring reasons I'm not enjoying NCAA 12. The sliders make little difference, and some of them don't work properly, or aren't sensitive enough.

And on-the-field gameplay issues aren't the worst part of the game. I can't play my favorite game mode without the game freezing. How does a slider set alleviate this problem?

Sliders can't fix bad programming. Besides the fact that it's not our job, we don't have the tools to fix anything. EA needs to do their job better. They should start by addressing the inherent gameplay problems and they should refrain from implementing defective features in future releases. They also seem to need better game testers.

i'm sorry, and i don't mean to pick on this last post here (wrong place wrong time) but how are posts like these productive in any way? there are literally hundreds of people making hundreds of posts like this about the game and its designers and it just ruins this website and consequently the game when people like myself come here looking to get even more out of a game they enjoy

really... how is this stuff constructive in any way? do developers really need to see as many posts in as many threads possible to be aware of the bugs and flaws with this GAME (remember it is a GAME)

sorry, maddenfranchise10, again this wasn't directed at you... just too much of this going on this year (and it seems like more and more each year)

[MaddenFranchise10]

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I'm sure your heavily invested in hating the game. But you are just wrong. Decrease coverage ability, and the DB PRC doesn't have such an impace and LBs don't swat everything.

Not being so obvious will keep the defense honest. I know people claim that the defense cheats, but not anymore than a human that knows full well that you are going to run or pass, and what you are doing when you audible.

If you reread my post, I said it's impossible to eliminate psychic DB's without making the passing game too easy. Pick your poison. You can either have psychic DB's able to cover 2-3 players even in man or half the field in cover 2, or you have brain-dead DB's that blow coverages every play. There's no option for a realistic challenge. That's the problem. To say that sliders fix this problem is a lie.


And the AI defenses know the exact play you're calling. There's nothing realistic or "human" about that. Even the best DC's don't know what the offense is going to run. If you come out in a 4 WR set draw, the safeties will show blitz. If you audible to a pass, the defense will adjust to cover 2. Audible back to a run and watch the defenders creep back to the LoS. You can keep audibling back and forth and watch the safeties jog around. Again, sliders don't fix this core problem.

The fact that it's impossible to outsmart the defense is a huge drawback, in my opinion.

i'm sorry, and i don't mean to pick on this last post here (wrong place wrong time) but how are posts like these productive in any way? there are literally hundreds of people making hundreds of posts like this about the game and its designers and it just ruins this website and consequently the game when people like myself come here looking to get even more out of a game they enjoy

really... how is this stuff constructive in any way? do developers really need to see as many posts in as many threads possible to be aware of the bugs and flaws with this GAME (remember it is a GAME)

sorry, maddenfranchise10, again this wasn't directed at you... just too much of this going on this year (and it seems like more and more each year)

No offense taken, but why does a post have to be filled with compliments for it to be constructive? In my opinion, blind praise is more destructive to a game's quality than fair criticism. Otherwise, how will developers know what needs to be fixed? It's not enough to compile a list of bugs and gameplay issues and lock them all in a room and never speak of them. We (as EA's paying customers) must express our discontent in certain areas so they know where to allocate their resources next year.

For example, players have been complaining about Maddens presentation and annoying commentary, so that's what EA is now working on improving. Players liked team intros from other sports titles, so EA introduced team intros. Players complained about suction blocking, and now it's less noticeable. I have a hope that next year psychic DB's and super LB's will be less noticeable too.


On the flip-side, how constructive is your post, or the hundreds like them from others that search for any opportunity to express contempt for those of us that are unhappy with this game, this franchise, the developer, and how they handle their community's complaints.

I guess to people like yourself, it would be more productive for me to bite my tongue and bend over. That would get EA to notice and fix these glaring problems, right?

[ZekeRoberts]

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No offense taken, but why does a post have to be filled with complements for it to be constructive? In my opinion, blind praise is more destructive to a game's quality than fair criticism. Otherwise, how will developers know what needs to be fixed?

On the flip-side, how constructive is your post, or the hundreds like them from others that search for any opportunity to express contempt for those of us that are unhappy with this game, this franchise, the developer, and how they handle their community's complaints.

I guess to people like yourself, it would be more productive for me to bite my tongue and bend over. That would get EA to notice and fix these glaring problems, right?

i wouldn't ask anyone to blindly praise or even complement a game that they didn't think was deserving. my point was that this was a thread with positive intentions, to help people enjoy the game, and i didn't think that your post on "what sliders won't fix" fit this topic

i admit that this wasn't my most productive post ever, i'm just an older guy who wants these forums to be as civil, organized and great as they once were

you say no offense taken, but your last comments there are very sarcastic and defensive again, i apologize to have "caught" you in my "clean-up agenda" but what i'm saying is totally in reference to a common attitude i see here and not you as an individual, what you bite and how you bend, etc.

i could have picked almost any negative post and this thread seemed to be a very logical place for me to point this out

[BadAssHskr]

I'm sure your heavily invested in hating the game. But you are just wrong. Decrease coverage ability, and the DB PRC doesn't have such an impace and LBs don't swat everything.

Not being so obvious will keep the defense honest. I know people claim that the defense cheats, but not anymore than a human that knows full well that you are going to run or pass, and what you are doing when you audible.

Im going to have to agree with this completely.

Im on vacatoon this week and have had about 90% more playing time than a normal week.

Been playing game after game after game, testing some sliders that I like and work for ME.

The more i go out and mindlessly choose plays and button mash the more the D eats my lunch as the game progresses forward.

Seems more so this year the game keeps you thinking, and once repitition sets in you are done.

Ive been playing so much this week, having a blast, i dont even care if theres a patch now.

So many haters and cry babies, not even funny any more. Its like its the cool thing to do here.

People, get a life and enjoy your Video Game. Closest thing to football most of us will ever see for Christ sake.

[MaddenFranchise10]

Re: Still Not Fully Enjoying NCAA 12? Try Some Sliders from OSers

i wouldn't ask anyone to blindly praise or even complement a game that they didn't think was deserving. my point was that this was a thread with positive intentions, to help people enjoy the game, and i didn't think that your post on "what sliders won't fix" fit this topic

i admit that this wasn't my most productive post ever, i'm just an older guy who wants these forums to be as civil, organized and great as they once were

you say no offense taken, but your last comments there are very sarcastic and defensive again, i apologize to have "caught" you in my "clean-up agenda" but what i'm saying is totally in reference to a common attitude i see here and not you as an individual, what you bite and how you bend, etc.

i could have picked almost any negative post and this thread seemed to be a very logical place for me to point this out

I wasn't trying to derail this thread or impede on anyone's enjoyment of their favorite slider set. I know OS gets certain privileges for keeping a pro-developer tone on these boards, and this thread reeks of PR bias. I get that they want people to forget the issues, especially with Madden approacing, but to say that sliders will change the game so much that it'll be "fully enjoyable" is ludicrous, especially when some of the sliders don't function properly (inverted, not sensitive enough, etc.). And to add to that, different game modes play differently. Sliders that work well for Practice mode, won't work the same in Play Now or Dynasty.

The game has bugs and issues in every area, including sliders, so please excuse my lack of optimism and praise.

Even though we disagree Zeke, I appreciate the discussion.

[ZekeRoberts]

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Im going to have to agree with this completely.

Im on vacatoon this week and have had about 90% more playing time than a normal week.

Been playing game after game after game, testing some sliders that I like and work for ME.

The more i go out and mindlessly choose plays and button mash the more the D eats my lunch as the game progresses forward.

Seems more so this year the game keeps you thinking, and once repitition sets in you are done.

Ive been playing so much this week, having a blast, i dont even care if theres a patch now.

So many haters and cry babies, not even funny any more. Its like its the cool thing to do here.

People, get a life and enjoy your Video Game. Closest thing to football most of us will ever see for Christ sake.

you definitely have to use play action correctly, use the passing game to open up the run, etc.

[Spanky]

Re: Still Not Fully Enjoying NCAA 12? Try Some Sliders from OSers

Instead of trying sliders, try selling it on ebay. You'll put some coin in your pocket, and have a lot more free time instead of wasting it trying to make this POS game playable. Plus is keeps $$$ away from EA for making a broken product. Vote with your wallets folks. I for one am sick of shelling out $60 for a game that looks pretty, but ultimately plays a lousy game of football.

Actually, EA already made its money from his purchase, so I don't think they care or are affected in any way when people trade-in their games. Some at EA might even be chuckling about it.

[BadAssHskr]

you definitely have to use play action correctly, use the passing game to open up the run, etc.

Thats actually part of my learning curve. A lot of years PA was ineffective ive gotten away from it, and now trying to rework it onto my offense.

I love running the ball, but keep at it, seems like you lose the ability to establish any ground game.

I call it good programming.

Pretty certain some refer to it as a glitch.

[MaddenFranchise10]

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you definitely have to use play action correctly, use the passing game to open up the run, etc.

I've had limited success setting up plays. Even the "setup" plays tend to have the same success rate as a normal play.

I've even done experiments to test whether the defense reacts to my play calling. I've played a game where I ran the ball literally every play until the 4th quarter. The defense would use various run blitz packages, often bringing the safeties in and crowding the LoS. Then in the 4th quarter, I randomly ran a deep pass from the same run formation and the defense came out in a Nickel. It's pretty apparent that the defensive play calling AI is entirely based on your play call, not any sort of football strategy (tendency, personnel, down & distance).



The fact that audibles force the defense to readjust to your audible makes audibles not really audibles. Since the defense changes to whatever formation they would've chosen had you picked that play in the first place, audibles are basically just selecting a different play, as though you did it at the playcalling screen. You can't take advantage of a defensive read, since the defense will adjust once you alter the play.

Anyway, this is straying from the thread topic, so I'll end it. The point I was trying to make is that none of the most glaring gameplay issues can be resolved by simply tuning the sliders.