Why is it so hard to get a big time HC job.

[osufeth24]

Re: Why is it so hard to get a big time HC job.

I'm in this boat, I started out as a HC at UCLA I won something like 6 national titles in 8 years..

My career record is 171-9

Because I couldn't get squat at UCLA i decided to say screw this and took a OC job at Ohio St..been there for 8 years and won 3 national titles with them...

yet the best jobs I get are HC jobs at Navy or some other 2* place...it seems everytime it gets to the carasouel, my coaching prestige goes down...I am A+ the whole time, but come coach search it has me as a C+ so I don't get any good...

and i've seen the big programs hire, Texas, USC, Oregon, Bama, etc have all hired new HC's (im in the year 2033 FWIW)

[Sundown2600]

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Why don't ppl see an issue with guys winning national championships with teams like Memphis and San Jose State after 1 or 2 years? I's just my opinion but I see a huge issue with that. This is a fantasy game based on a real life game I understand that, but I would think a guy would want to struggle a bit more at smaller schools and make things a little more realistic. Either raise the difficulty levels, make the game harder using sliders, sim a few games a year, or maybe do all three.

I have a Cal online dynasty that I use for recruiting only and a Cal dynasty offline that I control everything in. In my offline dynasty before each game I have a chioce between three different slider sets based on my skill level. Hard, Harder and Very Difficult. I basically spin a wheel and whatever set number it falls on that is the slider set I will use. I also sim 2 games a season. That's just my thing. If guys found big success after 5-8 seasons rather than 1-2 seasons maybe the coaching carousel wouldn't be such a big issue.

[mgab94]

Re: Why is it so hard to get a big time HC job.

That's weird, In my online dynasty on Heisman i got offered a HC job at Oregon after 3 years. And Oregon is my favorite team sooo..... yeah.

[PocketScout]

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I decided to do a sim dynasty this evening to further look at the issue. I started as OC at a cupcake tb school (UALR my alma mater).

Playing a soft schedule we went 9-4 first year, then 7-5 the following and I then took the OC job at Clemson. We went 7-6, then 11-3, then 13-1. Here is where **** gets crazy.

We played Michigan (12-1) in the National Championship and they beat us 38-31. We were still #1 in both polls. I did not get prompted to put the National Title Trophy in my case but again finished #1 in both the Coaches and Media polls.

Following season I took my first head coaching job taking over Wyoming (who is playing in an expanded Big East). We managed to go 13-0 (beating four teams that finished the year with 9 wins) and beat a 9-4 LSU team in the National Championship game 52-17. Their were two teams from BCS conferences that finished with 1 loss but the nod went to a 3 loss LSU team.

Following the year my Prestige was A+ but when we got to the carousel it auto dropped to D+. Why I have no clue! There were actually some good job openings that I never got an offer for as they went to OC's and DC's. I decided to leave Wyoming and take over a 2* Ole Miss squad. As soon as I accepted my prestige jumped back to A+.

So long story short the patch appears to have some messed up poll logic and the carousel favors coordinators a lot more than current HC's.

[Catamount53]

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Why don't ppl see an issue with guys winning national championships with teams like Memphis and San Jose State after 1 or 2 years? I's just my opinion but I see a huge issue with that. This is a fantasy game based on a real life game I understand that, but I would think a guy would want to struggle a bit more at smaller schools and make things a little more realistic. Either raise the difficulty levels, make the game harder using sliders, sim a few games a year, or maybe do all three.

I have a Cal online dynasty that I use for recruiting only and a Cal dynasty offline that I control everything in. In my offline dynasty before each game I have a chioce between three different slider sets based on my skill level. Hard, Harder and Very Difficult. I basically spin a wheel and whatever set number it falls on that is the slider set I will use. I also sim 2 games a season. That's just my thing. If guys found big success after 5-8 seasons rather than 1-2 seasons maybe the coaching carousel wouldn't be such a big issue.

Took me about 5 or 6 years to get to that point at Memphis. I would say the rankings are off and the year I went undefeated I shouldn't have played for the MNC, but I don't think the programs rise was unrealistic something like (7-6, 7-6, 8-5, 7-6, 9-3, 12-0, 11-1, 10-2)

[fcboiler87]

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I decided to do a sim dynasty this evening to further look at the issue. I started as OC at a cupcake tb school (UALR my alma mater).

Playing a soft schedule we went 9-4 first year, then 7-5 the following and I then took the OC job at Clemson. We went 7-6, then 11-3, then 13-1. Here is where **** gets crazy.

We played Michigan (12-1) in the National Championship and they beat us 38-31. We were still #1 in both polls. I did not get prompted to put the National Title Trophy in my case but again finished #1 in both the Coaches and Media polls.

Following season I took my first head coaching job taking over Wyoming (who is playing in an expanded Big East). We managed to go 13-0 (beating four teams that finished the year with 9 wins) and beat a 9-4 LSU team in the National Championship game 52-17. Their were two teams from BCS conferences that finished with 1 loss but the nod went to a 3 loss LSU team.

Following the year my Prestige was A+ but when we got to the carousel it auto dropped to D+. Why I have no clue! There were actually some good job openings that I never got an offer for as they went to OC's and DC's. I decided to leave Wyoming and take over a 2* Ole Miss squad. As soon as I accepted my prestige jumped back to A+.

So long story short the patch appears to have some messed up poll logic and the carousel favors coordinators a lot more than current HC's.

I assure you this was a problem before any patch. I did not buy the game this year; I rented it right when it came out. My problem with this game was in fact the carousel. I wasn't going to buy it if it wasn't right. I did years and years of simming to test it out. It has always favored coordinators as opposed to head coaches. This is because like I mentioned earlier in the post; as an HC, you are locked into your contract. You cannot jump ship until it expires. Even at the point, you have to hope a big job comes open or you will not get it. If you are a coordinator, you can land almost any job you dream of. Its logic is severely off and needs lots of attention.

[patsfan1993]

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I think there might be some messed up poll logic after the patch as well. The top three were consensus at the end of year. My buddy #1, CPU #2, Me #3. All undefeated from BCS conferences. My buddy beats CPU by 30. I beat #4 by 30. Final poll results remained the same undefeated user at #1 and #3. One lose CPU at #2.

[PocketScout]

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I assure you this was a problem before any patch. I did not buy the game this year; I rented it right when it came out. My problem with this game was in fact the carousel. I wasn't going to buy it if it wasn't right. I did years and years of simming to test it out. It has always favored coordinators as opposed to head coaches. This is because like I mentioned earlier in the post; as an HC, you are locked into your contract. You cannot jump ship until it expires. Even at the point, you have to hope a big job comes open or you will not get it. If you are a coordinator, you can land almost any job you dream of. Its logic is severely off and needs lots of attention.

The carousel favoring the Coordinators was prepatch, the poll logic was not. Since the game has come out I have simmed over 50+ seasons deep in to dynasty mode and have never seen the loser of the National Title game still ranked #1 in both polls. Most of my long sim dynasties I have never paid attention to the job logic as I started as a OC and waited until I got a big school job then my follow up jobs were always rebuilding a once fallen power or building a no history team.

Also you can jump contracts as a HC. You do not have to play out your entire contract to move schools.

I am going to do some more testing in a few days, but overall this looks like typical EA in patch something/break something else.

[Wilson16NCSU]

Re: Why is it so hard to get a big time HC job.

I assure you this was a problem before any patch. I did not buy the game this year; I rented it right when it came out. My problem with this game was in fact the carousel. I wasn't going to buy it if it wasn't right. I did years and years of simming to test it out. It has always favored coordinators as opposed to head coaches. This is because like I mentioned earlier in the post; as an HC, you are locked into your contract. You cannot jump ship until it expires. Even at the point, you have to hope a big job comes open or you will not get it. If you are a coordinator, you can land almost any job you dream of. Its logic is severely off and needs lots of attention.

This is just false all over. I'm the Head Coach at South Carolina and after my first year I was offered EVERY single head coaching job that came open even though I still had years left on my contract. Reason I got so many offers was because I just won the National Title.

[Aranor]

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Why don't ppl see an issue with guys winning national championships with teams like Memphis and San Jose State after 1 or 2 years? I's just my opinion but I see a huge issue with that. This is a fantasy game based on a real life game I understand that, but I would think a guy would want to struggle a bit more at smaller schools and make things a little more realistic. Either raise the difficulty levels, make the game harder using sliders, sim a few games a year, or maybe do all three.

I have a Cal online dynasty that I use for recruiting only and a Cal dynasty offline that I control everything in. In my offline dynasty before each game I have a chioce between three different slider sets based on my skill level. Hard, Harder and Very Difficult. I basically spin a wheel and whatever set number it falls on that is the slider set I will use. I also sim 2 games a season. That's just my thing. If guys found big success after 5-8 seasons rather than 1-2 seasons maybe the coaching carousel wouldn't be such a big issue.

I may have won the NC with San Jose State twice, but I didn't in two years. My team is like seven or eight years and we started with about the worst record as 100+ in the FBS. We could have been compared to Boise State with mid-ranged players for years. It wasn't until the last two years when joining the PAC-12 that we got national recognition that 5 star players even looked at us. Just this passed year we won the PAC-12 to play for the NC.

Now, in regards to the thread, this same coach that has built this team from a disgrace to a national powerhouse still only gets offers for OC for bigger schools or HC positions for schools like Southern Miss or Fresno State. No chance in hell in real life would I not see schools like: Alabama, LSU, Oregon, USC that need a coach wouldn't go for a successful coach, not a coordinator that has never succeeded on his own.

[bad_philanthropy]

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In my career I went from DC at WKU, to HC at WKU, to DC at Ok St, straight to HC at UCLA (where I stayed for five years), and then got the HC job at Oklahoma. It did seem like few big schools were trying to poach me when I put up a great run at UCLA though.

[fcboiler87]

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Perhaps they have updated some logic through patches. I don't have the game so I don't know. I just know it was very poor upon first release and that's why I didn't buy it. Maybe it'll be worth a purchase used or when it goes on sale at some point.

[Aranor]

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I'd say save your money till 2014 comes out. '13 isn't all that different from '12 anyways. Carousel logic is still too screwed up. Maybe the devs have seen how much the football fans have been pissed off by the fact they virtually didn't even touch it. Haumiller himself even said himself they just "twiked" it.

[UDM2004]

Has anyone started as a hc at a small school the go to a mid level school then a power school?

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[Mozatta]

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The logic is all sorts of messed up. I did a little testing and here were my results:

Head Coach at Maryland. Won NC 6 years in a row. Moved to HC at Arkansas and won 2 NC in a row. Went to Florida as OC lost NC two years in a row.

During my two years at Florida, I was being recruited for OC jobs at lower schools. Why would I go from Florida OC to Idaho OC?

So I've won 8 NC, never finished worse than 1 loss in a season and the only jobs I was getting after Florida was OC and HC jobs at teams like Idaho, Colorado State, etc. Even when I won 6 NC in a row at Maryland, the only high profile job that offered to me was Arkansas.