EA/CLC Settlement With O'Bannon Team Is $40 Million

[da ThRONe]

Re: EA/CLC Settlement With O'Bannon Team Is $40 Million

You're 100% on the money here.

Posts like his while also lacking perspective and having no clue what exploitation really is, show a real ignorance to the economics of college athletics.

Exploitation -the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.

There has been zero reason based on logic that explains why the NCAA should prevent SAs from being able to receive any kind of monetary compensation from 3rd parties (so long as it's for legal purposes).

Clearly my ignorance is way off base.

[lord_mike]

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So there will be no ncaa football for the ps4? I guess the important thing is the lawyers will cash in. This country needs tort reform badly.

"Tort Reform" would accomplish very little in this case. The plaintiffs won. the only reason they had a case is that a bunch of judges bought their sob story. Even if you severely restricted lawsuits, the case still could have been brought and the plaintiffs still would have won. Blame the judges for having no concept of the first amendment or how video games work.

[lord_mike]

Re: EA/CLC Settlement With O'Bannon Team Is $40 Million

Exploitation -the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.

There has been zero reason based on logic that explains why the NCAA should prevent SAs from being able to receive any kind of monetary compensation from 3rd parties (so long as it's for legal purposes).

Clearly my ignorance is way off base.

There is plenty of reason based on logic why amateur players should remain amateurs. It's the concept of amateurism, which is a noble one and should be preserved, especially to serve as a check in an era that worships greed.

[tessl]

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"Tort Reform" would accomplish very little in this case. The plaintiffs won. the only reason they had a case is that a bunch of judges bought their sob story. Even if you severely restricted lawsuits, the case still could have been brought and the plaintiffs still would have won. Blame the judges for having no concept of the first amendment or how video games work.

Tort reform would limit the payout from things like this and without the pot of gold at then end of the lawsuit the lawyers would not get involved.

My hope is former players now sue the plaintiffs to get more of the $40 million and the cash is tied up in court for years.

[BizDevConglomerate]

if i was EA and knew let say in dec 2012 that this was going to be my last ncaa game most likely for good


i would have done this
1 Add a Custom Playoff 4'8'12'16
2 add all 1-a and 1-aa teams
add all 1-aa conf
3 add storming the field after a big win
in dynasty mode add loss of scholarships bowl bans
add all uni
4 put in a stadium editor

What your saying is obvious, EA interested in what we want. There was one game that did some of these things, Bill Walsh College Football. And to be honest I rarely played the playoffs. But today I see the need. The biggest controversy then was Nebraska and the coaches poll. But the BCS is way worse.

[BJNT]

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Lets be frank, there is never going to be an NFL minor league.and the NBA is not interested in expanding the NBDL. College athletics have a stranglehold and will continue to have one (as they want, for very good fiscal reasons). It would also be incredibly difficult to put together a fair pay all system. So in the end, the best thing to have happen is the NCAA releasing its monopoly on player likenesses and names for profit. The status quo would stay mostly in tact and those players who are really interested in monetizing themselves can without threat of sanctions to their schools.

Exactly. They won't get get a check from the school that they play for. But if somebody is willing to pay for their autograph, gloves, shoes, to be in a commercial, a video game,etc. They would be allowed to.

[BizDevConglomerate]

As a former D1 football player, the final life lesson I obtained my last semester as a non-athlete is that Post-secondary education is the greatest/most successful business model being used today.

That's why administrators make six-figure incomes (plus perks: ie houses, cars etc...), while the front-line workers (instructors) are paid a minimum of 50% less than them.

Walk into a bank as a non-student and ask for a $5000 personal loan and they'll look at you crazy.
Apply for a loan through the school as a student, and you get minimum $20,000 without question.

It's a business whether you're a student-athlete or a non-athlete, that uses a corporation business model "Top-Down" and is linked heavily in the Stock Markets.

What often is lost in the debate (athlete vs regular student) is that both are mediums used for profit.
Profits just come through them through different structures.

Another thought is if "Education" is the foundation to be considered, why/how does an independent corporation (NCAA) have so much power/influence over these educational institutions, when they have no application to the actual instructural aspect of teaching?
(ask any instructor how much or their compensation comes from/through the NCAA).

Again, it's a business and every participant in the system should be able to earn as much as possible in any way that's legal while in the system.

Lastly, many of these so-called "free" education analogies are actually funded by federal dollars called grants. Full ride scholarships went out the window about 25 yrs ago when universities/athletic dept's saw that they could take these grants and supplement the remainder cost with donations from donors/companies (which are big educational/charity tax write-offs) then revenues earned (allowing them to keep more).

We actually did a break-down of what an student-athlete actually is making on average per hour for the amount of hours that are put in over the course of a year based on the actual value of that scholarship (cost - grant - donations = revenue needed) that the athlete(s) must make.

On top of this is the fact that not all sports generate revenues, so the athletes in the money making sports are also carrying the burden of working/generating revenues for those athletes in non-revenue generating sports.
(how many non-athlete students can say that part of their sacrifice helps to pay another students education/athletic participation?)

It's not as cut-n-dry being a D1 Athlete as some think it is.

I'm glad this case has caused a more in-depth look into this aspect of how "Students" as a whole are abused/used for profits.

Video game wise, just create a football game with an in-depth "Editor" which will allow gamers/community to create these teams at no additional cost the to developer.
This is what they call a cost-savings in business, right?

Maybe this will force the next college football developer to focus on the actual simulation of the sport and not depend on the marketing name(s) of the NCAA/Colleges to sell the product.

There's good and bad on both sides, but after an entire generation of console were the actual simulated representation of the sport by one developer has been questioned/complained/argued, if this helps to break the stronghold of developement by one developer, I'm all for it.

Don't know what I would do without Xan's Editor with this game!!!

Completely agree.

[common-sense]

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Exploitation is a two way street.

The high caliber players are benefiting where they are playing at. The last time Nebraska didn't sell out a game in Lincoln was 1961, 52 years ago. Is this something that Taylor Martinez started or benefited from?

The stadium will continue to sell out after Martinez leaves.

And you could make this argument regarding the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers. The Packers are going to have people in the seats regardless.

[da ThRONe]

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There is plenty of reason based on logic why amateur players should remain amateurs. It's the concept of amateurism, which is a noble one and should be preserved, especially to serve as a check in an era that worships greed.

Why do you get to decide for a large group of individuals when and maybe more importantly what it means to be noble. I guess slavery was a noble past time that gave the US a huge economic boost and should have never been abolished. It's easy for you to speak on nobility it's not your hard work being exploited. Nobility is not based on logic as it is merely based on ones opinion.

You speak of greed yet conviently leave out the individuals who profit directly from college sports.

[AUChase]

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Friend of mine came over and played a game of NCAA 14 with me.

He selected Alabama, I picked Va Tech and we played the Fiesta Bowl.


Key players pop up during the loading screen and his boy AJ McCarron looked like an uglier version of Conner Shaw.

Just thought it was funny considering the whole situation about player likeness and such..

[tessl]

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Why do you get to decide for a large group of individuals when and maybe more importantly what it means to be noble. I guess slavery was a noble past time that gave the US a huge economic boost and should have never been abolished. It's easy for you to speak on nobility it's not your hard work being exploited. Nobility is not based on logic as it is merely based on ones opinion.

You speak of greed yet conviently leave out the individuals who profit directly from college sports.

Oh please, the average college football player gets in excess of $100,000 dollars in benefits during 4 years in a division 1 school and they leave with a college degree.

One issue with paying players which I haven't heard discussed is tax implications of moving the sport from amateur athletics to professional. Unlike the NCAA the IRS does have subpoena power.

[mtoo22]

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They should develop it in some other country. Skirt the laws and then sell it here. It obviously couldn't be EA Sports, but that's how I would look at it.

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[Dr. Pete Even]

Re: EA/CLC Settlement With O'Bannon Team Is $40 Million

As a former D1 football player, the final life lesson I obtained my last semester as a non-athlete is that Post-secondary education is the greatest/most successful business model being used today.

That's why administrators make six-figure incomes (plus perks: ie houses, cars etc...), while the front-line workers (instructors) are paid a minimum of 50% less than them.

Walk into a bank as a non-student and ask for a $5000 personal loan and they'll look at you crazy.
Apply for a loan through the school as a student, and you get minimum $20,000 without question.

It's a business whether you're a student-athlete or a non-athlete, that uses a corporation business model "Top-Down" and is linked heavily in the Stock Markets.

What often is lost in the debate (athlete vs regular student) is that both are mediums used for profit.
Profits just come through them through different structures.

Another thought is if "Education" is the foundation to be considered, why/how does an independent corporation (NCAA) have so much power/influence over these educational institutions, when they have no application to the actual instructural aspect of teaching?
(ask any instructor how much or their compensation comes from/through the NCAA).

Again, it's a business and every participant in the system should be able to earn as much as possible in any way that's legal while in the system.

Lastly, many of these so-called "free" education analogies are actually funded by federal dollars called grants. Full ride scholarships went out the window about 25 yrs ago when universities/athletic dept's saw that they could take these grants and supplement the remainder cost with donations from donors/companies (which are big educational/charity tax write-offs) then revenues earned (allowing them to keep more).

We actually did a break-down of what an student-athlete actually is making on average per hour for the amount of hours that are put in over the course of a year based on the actual value of that scholarship (cost - grant - donations = revenue needed) that the athlete(s) must make.

On top of this is the fact that not all sports generate revenues, so the athletes in the money making sports are also carrying the burden of working/generating revenues for those athletes in non-revenue generating sports.
(how many non-athlete students can say that part of their sacrifice helps to pay another students education/athletic participation?)

It's not as cut-n-dry being a D1 Athlete as some think it is.

I'm glad this case has caused a more in-depth look into this aspect of how "Students" as a whole are abused/used for profits.

Video game wise, just create a football game with an in-depth "Editor" which will allow gamers/community to create these teams at no additional cost the to developer.
This is what they call a cost-savings in business, right?

Maybe this will force the next college football developer to focus on the actual simulation of the sport and not depend on the marketing name(s) of the NCAA/Colleges to sell the product.

There's good and bad on both sides, but after an entire generation of console were the actual simulated representation of the sport by one developer has been questioned/complained/argued, if this helps to break the stronghold of developement by one developer, I'm all for it.

Don't know what I would do without Xan's Editor with this game!!!

By far the most thoughtful and sensible post in this thread. The entire American college system has devolved into a farce. When it comes to athletics, the idea of amateurism died when billions of dollars started changing hands. Its the same fate that's befallen the Olympics. I also find it odd that so many are holding on to this myth of education equaling compensation. That would not fly in open court and I'm certain the NCAA hasn't fallen into the trap of trying to present it as an argument.

[Dr. Pete Even]

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There is plenty of reason based on logic why amateur players should remain amateurs. It's the concept of amateurism, which is a noble one and should be preserved, especially to serve as a check in an era that worships greed.

I am sympathetic but you're fighting a battle that's already been lost. In fact its been over for 25 years or so. Colleges are for profit, bottom line. Anything they do will be to that end. Like any well run business they seek a low cost high profit combo. At the lower levels you still have remaining vestiges of the type of romanticism you've engaged in here. But where the game is high stakes and there's real money to be made these folks are rank and file capitalists. Honestly the mentality is the same across sectors that generate massive amounts of money for schools. Low cost, high profit. No more no less.

[roadman]

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By far the most thoughtful and sensible post in this thread. The entire American college system has devolved into a farce. When it comes to athletics, the idea of amateurism died when billions of dollars started changing hands. Its the same fate that's befallen the Olympics. I also find it odd that so many are holding on to this myth of education equaling compensation. That would not fly in open court and I'm certain the NCAA hasn't fallen into the trap of trying to present it as an argument.

And as a parent paying for two children in college, if it ever came to collegiate athletes being paid, and you would have to go all across the board, cross country, basketball, football, every collegiate sport, I wouldn't want to see the raising of tuition one dime for tuition as result of paying collegiate athletes. Tuition is expensive as it is.

Paying athletes doesn't just revolve around the athletes, universities or the NCAA. It reaches fay beyond that.

Plus, if collegiate athletes are ever paid, welcome to the tax system, which is another headache.