The AI cheats in the 2nd Half

[bkrich83]

Re: The AI cheats in the 2nd Half

Older versions of Madden absolutely do this. However, I’ve seen enough intelligent behavior from CPU defenses in CFB 25 to believe that nothing as egregious is happening here, at least not to the extent that All Madden difficulty is known to cheat.

For example, I was watching my brother play a game the other day where he kept spamming speed out hot routes against off coverage. Eventually, the CPU picked up on this behavior and in response called man coverage from a Cover 4 shell, undercut the out route, and picked him off.

I've definately been fooled by the CPU disguising coverage and ruining my pre-snap read. I had to go back and look at replay and the previously play they called and low and befold they straight up fooled me.

I wonder how much of it goes game to game in Dynasty. In my UF dynasty I've been pounding the ball with a lot of inside run plays. I played Miss. St in my last game and they were clearly sellig out vs. the run. Which did open them up to play action. I'm with you I don't see anything egregious happening here.

[bkrich83]

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I love this idea. On the original subject, I tested this theory out by going deep shots in the 2nd half after only throwing screens and drags in the 1st half. Suddenly, in the 2nd half, I couldn’t complete a pass. I hit a deep shot or two but no consistency. Meanwhile the underneath stuff was also taken away and the runs too. They had it all blanketed.

To be fair deep shots by their very nature are low percentage plays.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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The amount of hyperbole is really out of control on the Internet .

Fixed.
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[Feros Ferio 7]

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It sounds like people here are expecting that what they did in the first half will hold true in the second.

That's just not logical processing.

It's a game that you have to keep adjusting your strategies and your attack points from a variety of formations, personnel and looks. Oh and by the way you then have to contend with an opponent doing the same and make the right reads post snap.

I play in a n online dynasty and hear grumbling from some about interceptions and incompletions and 10 out of 10 times it's the user either making the wrong read or throwing the wrong type of pass or there was pressure on the QB which caused the adjustment.

It's a game. Learn how to adapt to different situations with different ways and understand that just because you're running the right play based on the Pre snap coverage look doesn't mean the play is going to work out. If it doesn't huddle up and attack the next play.

If you want the AI to take it easy on you if you've had a good first half drop the difficulty lower.


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[GoDucks1224]

The AI cheats in the 2nd Half

It sounds like people here are expecting that what they did in the first half will hold true in the second.

That's just not logical processing.

It's a game that you have to keep adjusting your strategies and your attack points from a variety of formations, personnel and looks. Oh and by the way you then have to contend with an opponent doing the same and make the right reads post snap.

I play in a n online dynasty and hear grumbling from some about interceptions and incompletions and 10 out of 10 times it's the user either making the wrong read or throwing the wrong type of pass or there was pressure on the QB which caused the adjustment.

It's a game. Learn how to adapt to different situations with different ways and understand that just because you're running the right play based on the Pre snap coverage look doesn't mean the play is going to work out. If it doesn't huddle up and attack the next play.

If you want the AI to take it easy on you if you've had a good first half drop the difficulty lower.


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Wait football teams can make halftime adjustments? Or even mid quarter or mid drive adjustments? Even if they’re worse than your team?! That’s just unthinkable. Get outta here with your logic. The AI is deeply broken and can only win by cheating. They never adjust their thinking, playcalling, or adapt to what us masterful humans do.

[canes21]

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I've definately been fooled by the CPU disguising coverage and ruining my pre-snap read. I had to go back and look at replay and the previously play they called and low and befold they straight up fooled me.

I wonder how much of it goes game to game in Dynasty. In my UF dynasty I've been pounding the ball with a lot of inside run plays. I played Miss. St in my last game and they were clearly sellig out vs. the run. Which did open them up to play action. I'm with you I don't see anything egregious happening here.

The bold is something I am very curious about. In my UMass dynasty running the veer and shoot, I had some success in the prior year running the stacked WR screens and bunch WR screens RPO plays. Teams would adjust quickly and take that away in the first halves, but most games they gave it up initially fora drive, sometimes two.


Now, in this new season after 5 games, I've maybe completed 4 or 5 WR screens all year because teams are coming out playing up on the stacks and bunches, they are stacking boxes earlier on in games, and I am having a very hard time moving the ball at all. I started the year 0-3 before winning the last 2 and I didn't break 20 points in any of the losses.


It could be coincidence, but I was wondering if some tendencies and stats are tracked on our user profiles that the real time coaching engine relies on when going into a new game, and then they make adjustments mid-game based on how the game is going. I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. It certainly feels like it at times, especially this season, but it could just be part coincidence and part how good the system already is in year 1.

[BCB13]

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But this actually happens in real life

Alot of teams are better in the 2nd half we just gotta call better plays make adjustments

My last game I was up 24-3 in the 4Q I blew that lead because I got to soft calling dumb plays

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[Ghost Of The Year]

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But this actually happens in real life

Alot of teams are better in the 2nd half we just gotta call better plays make adjustments

My last game I was up 24-3 in the 4Q I blew that lead because I got to soft calling dumb plays

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I keep a checklist of a few plays I only want to run in the first half and another set of several plays I want to save for the second half.

[underdog13]

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Complaints about cheating A.I? Oh we are so back boys

[Ghost Of The Year]

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Complaints about cheating A.I? Oh we are so back boys

We eagerly await the "AI Doesnt Try In The 1st Half" thread.

[NYJin2011tm]

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It’s alive and well in the Show! After getting just 1 hit through 8 innings and trailing 3-0 I scored 4 in the ninth to win. (Sarcasm)

Seriously though I don’t feel this in this game at all.

[bkrich83]

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The bold is something I am very curious about. In my UMass dynasty running the veer and shoot, I had some success in the prior year running the stacked WR screens and bunch WR screens RPO plays. Teams would adjust quickly and take that away in the first halves, but most games they gave it up initially fora drive, sometimes two.


Now, in this new season after 5 games, I've maybe completed 4 or 5 WR screens all year because teams are coming out playing up on the stacks and bunches, they are stacking boxes earlier on in games, and I am having a very hard time moving the ball at all. I started the year 0-3 before winning the last 2 and I didn't break 20 points in any of the losses.


It could be coincidence, but I was wondering if some tendencies and stats are tracked on our user profiles that the real time coaching engine relies on when going into a new game, and then they make adjustments mid-game based on how the game is going. I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. It certainly feels like it at times, especially this season, but it could just be part coincidence and part how good the system already is in year 1.

I have zero definitive proof, but it sure feels like something is going on under the hood when it comes to tendencies long term.

[MiracleMet718]

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If the game didn’t adjust to defend tendencies, people would complain that the AI is stupid. Now the game is adjusting and forcing people to change things up, and people are saying the AI is cheating.

[Instant C1a55ic]

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I’ve noticed how all of my turnovers seem to happen in the 3Q. You can call it halftime adjustments if you want but the AI on Heisman literally reads your play perfectly in the 2nd half of games. It will jump routes with guys that are in man with their backs turned. It’s seriously game breaking. I’m all for a challenge but don’t cheese me CPU or I’ll just resort to having to cheese play you back.

EA put effort into this game but unfortunately it’s a polished Madden at the moment.

What?

I have played dozens of games so far, and not once have I felt cheated. Not sure what plays you are calling, but it might be wise to have a better 2nd half playsheet.

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[bDoddleS]

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I’ve noticed how all of my turnovers seem to happen in the 3Q. You can call it halftime adjustments if you want but the AI on Heisman literally reads your play perfectly in the 2nd half of games. It will jump routes with guys that are in man with their backs turned. It’s seriously game breaking. I’m all for a challenge but don’t cheese me CPU or I’ll just resort to having to cheese play you back.

EA put effort into this game but unfortunately it’s a polished Madden at the moment.

My main question is are you running the same 5 plays over and over?

Just curious