Will People Adjust to the Pocket in Next-Gen Madden?

[CT Pitbull]

Re: Will People Adust to the Pocket in Next-Gen Madden?

Casuals should be able to adjust to a real pocket.

Agreed..... BUT this should read


"Casuals should be forced to adjust to a real pocket."....Why?


Because that's FOOTBALL!

[roadman]

Re: Will People Adust to the Pocket in Next-Gen Madden?

If they were pushing for simulation as hard as you say then Rex would have never brought up tournament players when asked about bad snaps.

By the way, it was Clint that mentioned that part.

Just an FYI.

[CT Pitbull]

Re: Will People Adjust to the Pocket in Next-Gen Madden?

The whole issue with tournament play and other nonsense should not even be brought up in development at Tiburon. You are making an NFL simulation game (supposedly). Not a head to head game loosely based on NFL football (which is what we have right now). I was excited about things until that interview when I heard the reasoning behind no bad snaps. "What if you are in a tournament for 100k you lose on a bad snap?". Give me a break. Things haven't changed there as much as they say they have. I don't hear Mike Wang saying that they've removed missed jump shots in NBA 2k.



---the above is why there should be a "sim" mode where its no holds barred anything can happen, bad snaps included along with any other zany outcome the game of football can create. "Arcade" mode could be for the tournaments and extra cheese casuals.

[hanzsomehanz]

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Its not a perfect pocket that I want to see hedged in every pass play.

The problem existing now is that linemen are programmed to step into their blocks on pass plays instead of dropping back and receiving the rush.

The linemen should be responding authentically (not proactively synced) to the defensive angles of pursuit as they retreat to create a hedge for the QB. Where we should see the average lineman (naturally) struggle is against the stunts and blitz.

Linemen with poor footwork should be plagued on the edges against quicker defenders. Linemen with poor footwork technique should also loose battles due to poor footing.

Imo, it is footwork that needs to be emphasised more in the trenches and pursuit paths by defenders. Poor footwork will negate any linemens ability to hold their ground no matter how strong they are.

If folks can still use a qb or kicker or punter in the trenches then we will know the system is still founded on the wrong functions.

Too much neuturing. They ought to give these men back their brass balls if we are to ever see a "war" in the trenches. Cut the patty-cake peace treaty that was established years back.

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[wordtobigbird]

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They should take out fumbles. What if youre in a 100K tournament and your RB fumbles?!

[xCeeTee]

This would improve everything with me, I hate being blitzed on every play whilst all of my recievers being stalked on every play. I actually think this might help me play!

[hanzsomehanz]

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They should take out fumbles. What if youre in a 100K tournament and your RB fumbles?!

The list of random outcomes is undoubtedly long - I dont side w them regarding why botched snaps dont exist.

In this game alone I have lost control attempting thorws and tackles and catches and picks only to have the AI not respond or respond opposite to the command I am giving or especially so on tackling where its even worst: The computer literally takes position of my defender and I have absolutely no control over steering him - this is the bullcotti that needs to be cut out.

We will never see seemless animations for as long as we have warped assistance controls like hit stick, ball hawk and heet seaker. Nor will we have seemless user control for as long as these training wheels exist - never.

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[wordtobigbird]

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The list of random outcomes is undoubtedly long - I dont side w them regarding why botched snaps dont exist.

In this game alone I have lost control attempting thorws and tackles and catches and picks only to have the AI not respond or respond opposite to the command I am giving or especially so on tackling where its even worst: The computer literally takes position of my defender and I have absolutely no control over steering him - this is the bullcotti that needs to be cut out.

We will never see seemless animations for as long as we have warped assistance controls like hit stick, ball hawk and heet seaker. Nor will we have seemless user control for as long as these training wheels exist - never.

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Training wheels is right. I use to LOVE user picking. It was one of my favorite aspects. I use have people quit online after throwing too many interceptions because I'd be running around the middle of the field with a Safety. You had to get yourself into position and you had to time your jump but it made it rewarding imo because you can just as easily give up a huge play. Which I did many of times. They took away the human error. They shouldn't even call it a user pick anymore because it isn't. The CPU is doing everything for you.

[CigarCityBandit]

Interesting comments...This is why Ive played Madden on Very Fast Game speed & Speed Threshold at 0
Since Madden 11. Forces you to Snap/Read/Throw.
And pressures coming at the snap of the football.
The new innovations are gonna make the game even better to me on my settings.

[Braincramps]

LOL, I really don't think this will in any way be close to realistic..just because EA says so.... My guess is the same old tried and truue issues will be there.

[Captain Obvious]

Re: Will People Adjust to the Pocket in Next-Gen Madden?

casuals play on rookie and pro, sims play on all pro and all madden. everyone will be happy

[UptheARSEnal]

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I predict they will pick a fast QB, spring towards the sideline and abuse legacy coverage issues down the field. You know, the usual.

[RexDEAFootball]

IMO, This is just a graphical update and not a mechanical one. I think the pocket is being formed artificially and that it has no bearing on the gameplay.

I can assure all of you the new pocket collapse system has a direct and immediate impact on gameplay.

Here are a just a few of the ways it changes the game:

1) It is now critical to read blitzes pre-snap, as slide protection is now a big component of protecting yourself against the blitz.

2) With 5 man protection, you can only block 5 defenders. If they send 6, one will get through. This makes hot routing TE's and RB's in to block another key strategy in running an effective offense.

3) Understanding the concept of a 'hot read' receiver with a short curl, hitch or smoke screen route is often necessary against the blitz.

4) Less time in pocket means less time to go deep. Expect to adapt and hit your check down routes like shallow drags and RB's leaking out into the flat.

There are also huge upgrades in pass defense, making it more important than ever to make good reads.

Rookie and Pro are still pretty safe for the casual, but for everybody else the hope is that they change their play style and employ real football strategies to adapt to the change in direction.

[TeeDogg]

Re: Will People Adjust to the Pocket in Next-Gen Madden?

I can assure all of you the new pocket collapse system has a direct and immediate impact on gameplay.

Here are a just a few of the ways it changes the game:

1) It is now critical to read blitzes pre-snap, as slide protection is now a big component of protecting yourself against the blitz.

2) With 5 man protection, you can only block 5 defenders. If they send 6, one will get through. This makes hot routing TE's and RB's in to block another key strategy in running an effective offense.

3) Understanding the concept of a 'hot read' receiver with a short curl, hitch or smoke screen route is often necessary against the blitz.

4) Less time in pocket means less time to go deep. Expect to adapt and hit your check down routes like shallow drags and RB's leaking out into the flat.

There are also huge upgrades in pass defense, making it more important than ever to make good reads.

Rookie and Pro are still pretty safe for the casual, but for everybody else the hope is that they change their play style and employ real football strategies to adapt to the change in direction.

on madden CG the cpu A.I. has burned me when I blitz by throwing screens behind the blitz and into the flats/ I don't recall the cpu doing this before. I also love the A.I. for Fbs and RBs picking up the blitz when kept in to block. this was sorely missing for a long time. good job guys, I look forward to seeing you guys continue to implement your vision next Gen. it gets wild in here but some of us are seeing the results of your efforts, even on CG.

[SA1NT401]

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Honestly.... The pocket and DL/OL interaction is the ONLY thing I like.

And I LOVE the fact the arcade crowd will probably HATE THE HELL OUT OF IT!!!

^ that makes me happy.... Seriously ... **** the casuals, the SIM crowd put madden on the map!!!