Game Informer Madden 25 Stream (1:50 mark)

[Sturzinator]

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Never said Madden was perfect; but I did call out the fact that a number of people here just seem to hate to hate...The majority of people, by a large percentage are busy playing the game instead of complaining and blaming others because they do not like EA for owning the exclusive NFL license and feel that somehow 2K football was robbed...Great thing for 2K football is, they will always have this superior game image for thos who really loved the 2K game, but in fact, they are filling the "unknowns" with the same wishful thinking that brings them back to buying Madden...It really is entertaining to witness.

Some unwarranted complaints - Pocket formation (it is in NG and it is as consistent as it is in the NFL; but it appears the complainers believe a "perfect" pocket, by their beliefs, should be present on every pass play - that is a personal issue, not EA/Tiburons issue....

Also, graphics: I saw cleaner and more accurate uniforms and especially helmets; the helmets had the shine, and even the metallic helmets had the silver or gold look as in real life...If you saw a stream of a Redskins night game and closed in on RG3, you would have seen the same detail as in the trailer.

Another addition - actual fully rendered sidelines...Never saw that is CG...Hence an improvement....

There was also double team pass blocking when warranted...No sense having a double team just to have one...

There was instances of true step, also when warranted...Seems some people think true step should be active even when not required.

Also noticed tighter/better pass coverage on plays and this was during the streams that were set to "pro."

From what I have seen there is a handful of Madden community players that over expect for each new release by injecting more into the promo videos and articles than what is truly there....

Now, that is not to say that Tiburon/EA has not made screw ups; they have...And I agree with may that Football would be better with competition and if Tiburon was dropped...There are lingering "legacy" issues that still need to be fixed, that I believe can only be fixed by a brand new, from the ground up build, hence competition like 2K, building from the ground up with the next gen technology should, without concern, build a better, more precise and crisp iteration of football...I believe it so honestly that I bet 2K or another company could build a popular game without an NFL license, but leaving the means in a custom uniform editor for inspiring people to create the NFL team unis... :-) Sometimes the best way to beat the bloated money beast it to put the abilities to edit in the hands of the consumer....

I believe PC Madden was canned, in large part due to the fact that the football community were modding the game to a level far exceeding Tiburons desire or abilities...

I think you need to get that crater sized 2K chip off your shoulder......

[solofx7]

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The stream yesterday was bad. This one was just flat out hard to watch. Have to love it when one of the first streams of your game the guys playing it have comments like "this doesn't look next gen AT ALL" and "I think I just saw a guy clip through another guy."

Before the game even starts it appears that EA still has not figured out how to optimize load times and menus. Menu lag and excessive load times on a next gen console should be unacceptable and are a quick sign of either a lazy or inept coder. This has me very worried about FIFA as I have not seen menu footage yet and that was the single biggest reason i switched to pc. Menu lag on EA ps3 games was unbearable.

In addition to it just flat out not looking good, what happened to any of the things that were focused on? Living worlds was flat out invisible. The crowd noise? Even on touchdowns there was no audible eruption let alone big plays. Very first play of the game in a real stadium when Charles gets to the edge the crowd would be going berserk let alone breaking off a 20 yard run to open the game. Here, just applause. Player sense? I saw nothing, repeat nothing that indicated that these players played with any additional intelligence over their current gen counterparts. Line play looked nothing like the war in the trenches video they showed. I was actually excited to see the new line interactions after watching the video a couple weeks ago. WHERE DID IT GO? It certainly wasn't in this video. I still see sizzle trailers showing those RGIII clips that we know for a fact are not what the current game looks like, even in replays. NONE OF THEIR MARKETING MATCHES WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN EITHER STREAM.

I've seen two lengthy streams now and have not heard any new commentary. Wasn't that a huge marketing hype for living worlds? Where is the stuff they added? I'll admit I was kind of roller coaster over the past few months. First being pessimistic just because of the past history of EA. Then they got me to bite with the E3 video of Peterson turning sideways to fit through the line. Then the revealed how limited their improvements would be and I was disappointing again. Then war in the trenches video showed linemen turning defenders, chip blocks and intelligent second level blocking and I was pulled right back in. They showed screens and sizzle trailers of RGIII with scuff marks and scratches all over his helmet and I thought, well if nothing else at least it will be a new coat of paint on what was a decent current gen game. Now I see these two streams and the have no executed on any of it to a competent level. This to me is inexcusable. Not the fact that it isn't that improved, but the fact that they have repeatedly in many different forms sold things that they obviously are not delivering. Each of those marketing features they touted may be in the next gen game, but they certainly aren't in to the level they have hyped them and focused on them to be and from both streams have ZERO affect on the overall game. Footplanting may be something that needs to be played to feel but I can see with my own eyes they have failed on the other things they pitched because those aren't have to feel it features, those are eye candy event features.

Disappointing and coming up short is one thing. Selling something and then either being misleading about it or not delivering on it and then hiding behind an embargo before going live with sales is a completely different thing all together. Based on the scores Knack got I am pretty sure the developers knew there was a potential for bad scores but they didn't hide until the game went on sale. They threw it out there and took their lumps.

I honestly just don't know where this goes from here. I have bought Madden every year since the Apple IIgs and this is just flat out disturbing what they are doing with this license now. For Madden 15 I hope they just stay silent until its released because it appears that they are incapable of being up front and honest with their consumer.

Rant over. I've said my piece on 25 maybe I'll check back in closer to 15 but for now I'll just sit back and play the better games of sports that i like less and just hold my controller in my hands on Sunday and pretend I am controlling the players. It will be about as enjoyable as the alternative.

I have to say I agree with what you have said. I am very confused about what I have seen. First I know that these are streams and we are not seeing the total quality of the game as it will be direct on our tv's, but this looks nothing and I mean nothing like the preview trailer and gameplay that they put out. I looks like a last second and I mean last second port of current gen. I am not sure how to take it at all. The screens of RGIII and other stuff totally looked next gen, which made it a must buy for me. unless there is something that I am missing, this totally looks like a different game all together.

That all being said, I got Madden 25 PS4 free as part of the Target deal. I really want a football games, but I think that I may bring this back and get something that seems more next gen and that they actually put work into.

Please someone tell me I am missing something here as this looks so so different from what they showed us previously?

[royounggoku]

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Whatever..........if you say so.........

My fault bro, was just telling you what I saw. Didn't mean any disrespect.

[royounggoku]

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I think you need to get that crater sized 2K chip off your shoulder......

When the man said Madden and 2k14 looked the same I just stopped reading his posts lol.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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I think you need to get that crater sized 2K chip off your shoulder......

Really? I praised 2K...Maybe you want to consider getting rid of your crater sized EA/Tiburon chip?

But I digress, this is supposed to be about football video games, not personal attacks....If you find something specifically in my post that you oppose, please bring it to my attention...I am particularly interested in knowing where in my posts I showed having a chip in regards to 2K.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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When the man said Madden and 2k14 looked the same I just stopped reading his posts lol.

Then by all means, please enlighten me as to the finer superior details of 2k14 that I seem to be so obviously missing in your opinion...

[bc21045]

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Really? I praised 2K...Maybe you want to consider getting rid of your crater sized EA/Tiburon chip?

But I digress, this is supposed to be about football video games, not personal attacks....If you find something specifically in my post that you oppose, please bring it to my attention...I am particularly interested in knowing where in my posts I showed having a chip in regards to 2K.

You said the pocket in madden is as consistent as real life and the criticisms were unwarranted. I completely disagree, it LOOKS like a pocket but does not behave like a pocket at all. It's not organic in the game, there's no push up the middle, there's no battle between the oline and dline all the way to the qb you either beat the block and get a clear path or you don't and stay put. I don't remember seeing the qb ever having to step up in the pocket in those streams, there's no pressure affecting the throw, I don't remember seeing any lineman get beat off the snap. It's not what they sold us with those videos.

[TombSong]

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The most troubling thing for me when watching the stream is the defensive line pass rush looks exactly like current gen. I didn't see any of the stuff from the "war in the trenches" video.

Right now it just looks like Madden 25 CG with better textures and a 3d Crowd.

If this game has the same issues the current gen game has then that will confirm this is nothing more than a port of the 360 version(gameplay wise) with tweaked player movement, some 3D grass, and 3D crowds sprinkled on top.

Unless there is something we are missing or have not seen yet, I am not at all impressed by what they have done so far.

[Sturzinator]

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Why is it that as soon as somebody posts a negative about Madden they are automatically suspected of being a 2K guerrilla? What is the problem with using 2k as a measuring stick for progress within the football genre of games? There simply aren't many other recent alternatives with which to compare.

I see many posts that are critical of Madden and with just cause. Many of these same posters I have also seen give credit where credit is due for some of Madden's better ideas.

Conversely, I rarely see the posters that have nothing but good to say about Madden admit that there are shortcomings with the game. They simply refuse to acknowledge there are any problems whatsoever.

I have said this before, and the sentiment has often been touched on by other posters, but it probably bears repeating. We all want the same thing: a great football game. Our time would not be well spent here for any other reason.

I have been waiting a very, very, very long time for this great football game to arrive and I would like to see it before I strap on a pair of Depends and sip on a glass of warm milk at the retirement home.

I honestly don't care who makes the damn game, be it EA, 2K, Sony, or Aunt Jamima. I just want it to arrive.

So can we drop the 2K conspiracy theories please?

[cedwebb]

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I have only seen a couple min of gameplay and I wanted to be blown away but wasn't. Then thinking I need to see and play myself to really get what is going on.
My only question is, do we in fact know what we are seeing is the final retail version?

[EarvGotti]

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EA should be ashamed of themselves trying to pass this off as a next gen game. I guess that ESPN video on youtube was correct all along. There is no way i am buying this game.

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[Only1LT]

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Geez, did I even say I go by that? I saw the fumble first and then heard, that's a fumble.

Take it easy lol. You said that "the guy even said he fumbled", so that sounds like you are using his opinion as a reinforcement of your stance that it was a fumble. I was just saying they know nothing, so what they say, matters nill. That's all.

[bucky60]

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but I did call out the fact that a number of people here just seem to hate to hate...The majority of people, by a large percentage are busy playing the game instead of complaining and blaming others because they do not like EA for owning the exclusive NFL license and feel that somehow 2K football was robbed...

Madden puts out a better game, and then 2k doesn't get mentioned. The only reason people complain about EA owning the exclusive license is because this has caused NFL football video gaming to be so mediocre (at best) for so long. Has nothing to do with some vendetta over 2k being robbed. This part of your post just seems to be name calling and trolling.

Some unwarranted complaints - Pocket formation (it is in NG and it is as consistent as it is in the NFL; but it appears the complainers believe a "perfect" pocket, by their beliefs, should be present on every pass play - that is a personal issue, not EA/Tiburons issue....

I thought I heard in one of these streams, by the streamers themselves, one mentioning the other taking 25 steps back on pass plays. I haven't seen the streams, just going by posts in these threads, but if this is the case, then the pocket formation is not as consistent as it is in the NFL. If I've misread the posts, or they are not accurate to what was on the stream, then I concede your point until I myself have proof one way or the other. Just saying if the posts are accurate, and one guy on the stream is saying to the other guy he keeps taking 25 step dropbacks, that's not a very good pocket being enforced.

Also, graphics: I saw cleaner and more accurate uniforms and especially helmets; the helmets had the shine, and even the metallic helmets had the silver or gold look as in real life...If you saw a stream of a Redskins night game and closed in on RG3, you would have seen the same detail as in the trailer.

Another addition - actual fully rendered sidelines...Never saw that is CG...Hence an improvement.....

I think poster are admitting to some minor graphical improvements, just nothing next gen worthy. Gameplay animations seem to be a huge eyesore.

There was instances of true step, also when warranted...Seems some people think true step should be active even when not required.

Instances? of True Step? when warranted? Isn't true stepping, with momentum, weight, agility, etc important in ALL instances? When exactly is it NOT required? According to EA/Tib, is only required for 1 or maybe 2 of the 22.

From what I have seen there is a handful of Madden community players that over expect for each new release by injecting more into the promo videos and articles than what is truly there....

Over expect? I guess we will just agree to disagree. Seems the NBA2K developers disagree with you as well.

[Yanks1408]

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Watched four plays then got bored and turned it off. Not exactly how I pictured my reaction to the first live footage of a next gen football game, lol.

[rootofalleli]

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I have only seen a couple min of gameplay and I wanted to be blown away but wasn't. Then thinking I need to see and play myself to really get what is going on.
My only question is, do we in fact know what we are seeing is the final retail version?

It's retail. There are streams from people who won a PS4 from Taco Bell and then bought Madden. They all look the same.