For me it has changed immensely. This is the most enjoyment ive had from a football game ever. I purchased Fifa first, NBA 2K14, Battlefield, AC:Black Flag and then Madden 25, in that order... I really wasnt bothered about buying this game but then see so much positivity and thought "ok, last chance" so I loaded it up and it hasnt left my PS4 since. I love my other games too but for me, I just love having a really good Football game again, its been so long!! 10 years on and two console generations later they have actually provided a product that is better than 2K5. For me 2k5 still gets the biggest wow factor ever in NFL gaming history though as it was amazing and released so long ago, you kind of expect football games to be doing that and more now and thats why people have hate for ea and rightly so but the fact that im enjoying playing it and getting realistic games makes me happy. People should not spite themselves and actually give this a go as they may be pleasantly surprised. I still want 2K football to make a return though, its only right.
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
For me it has changed immensely. This is the most enjoyment ive had from a football game ever. I purchased Fifa first, NBA 2K14, Battlefield, AC:Black Flag and then Madden 25, in that order... I really wasnt bothered about buying this game but then see so much positivity and thought "ok, last chance" so I loaded it up and it hasnt left my PS4 since. I love my other games too but for me, I just love having a really good Football game again, its been so long!! 10 years on and two console generations later they have actually provided a product that is better than 2K5. For me 2k5 still gets the biggest wow factor ever in NFL gaming history though as it was amazing and released so long ago, you kind of expect football games to be doing that and more now and thats why people have hate for ea and rightly so but the fact that im enjoying playing it and getting realistic games makes me happy. People should not spite themselves and actually give this a go as they may be pleasantly surprised. I still want 2K football to make a return though, its only right. -
Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
No. Barring a major overhaul I have no hope for the future of this franchise. " Next Gen" Madden is just a more polished version of current gen. This game has the same animations (save a couple new line interactions). The same exact commentary etc. For all we know, all we may be getting on "Next Gen" is port overs from the 360/PS3 versions. If that continues to be the trend (which I have no reason to feel otherwise) the franchise will continue to suffer. They told a bunch of lies heading into next gen. They said they had 100s more head scans. That was a lie. They said they had the ability to create thousands of body types. That was lie. Players have the same exact models as their last gen counterparts. That is just some of ths cosmetic things they misled us on. I will stop there. Don't want to pile on.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
With the resources available on these new machines the sky is the limit on what can be done. I just get the sense that they are not going to push it though. I get the sense they are going to sit pat, continue to release the status quo, make the money they can and call it a day. I hope I'm wrong. We'll see.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
I have hope after playing this year. It's a fun game to me but at the same time I see something 4 or 5 times a game that makes me say WTF. They have a way to go but I feel like they took a step in a positive direction.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
I have played a good bit of Madden 25 Next Gen.
I have less hope (which is crazy given my feelings towards the franchise the last 8 years).
I could sit and list what I can't stand about the game for hours, but it isn't worth the time that it took to type it all.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
Its just ok. Its still too similar to the last gen. Its looks good graphically but doesn't play any different to me.
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
At first it was just ok. nothing more, and maybe a tad less. I was gifted it for christmas by someone and since I didn't want to be mean and I heard a few good things on here, I decided why the hell not... I didn't have to pay for it, and I might as well just see for myself if this is anywhere in the right direction.
After continuously quitting games halfway through (regardless of the score) due to it just being so motionless, I have become entirely fed up with the fact that it is just more of the same nonsense. Now let me give a few examples...
The CPU on All Pro can run the ball for 250 yards a game on me on 15 carries, while any (and I mean ANY) RB I use runs with worse ability than Trent Richardson. For example, my created 95 OVR running back with 95 SPD is averaging 2.4 YPC 7 games into the season. My backups are doing much worse, all averaging under 2.2... Not that it prevents me from winning, because if I really wanted to I can throw the ball for 700 yards a game, but I really don't want my QB breaking the career yardage and touchdown record in one season.
Another thing. I have guys run routes and are completely covered, only to have an area of wide open field that I would see and any other player would see in the NFL. Afterall, it is the NFL and these guys catch on to openings in coverage immediately. They are trained to do so. Yet they will stand right behind a defender for 5 seconds giving me nowhere to throw, when they have 30 yards of open field if they just adjust to go 5 yards over to the right to give me a slight window. Another issue is that I will have guys with open field ahead of them decide to shade back into the coverage. If a guy is running a comeback route but they have a wide open field and huge gap in the coverage ahead of them, most NFL players will ignore the comeback route and just switch to a go route to burn the gaping whole in the D. Not in this game. My guy will comeback and instead of my QB throwing where I personally read the coverage is open, he throws the regular route right where the linebacker is covering for the curl to flat area and he picks it off and runs it back. Even when I played back when, if I saw an opening like that I would throw it right there. The best QBs in the league make a living off of reads like that, and all NFL teams practice reading coverages so it becomes second nature.
Also, why is every single deep route underthrown, and perfectly placed passes just watched by WR and such. I will have a pass thrown perfectly to the sideline, only for my guy to just keep running at the ball instead of extending and dragging the feet. if they made the effort and dropped it, i would be okay with it. but they don't... they just watch it and run OB in a clueless manner. And then a wide open deep route where my 6'5" WR with 99SPD is 5-10 yards behind the coverage, my 99OVR QB will underthrow the ball consistently (on a 25-30 yard pass downfield), or the pass will be perfect only for a 5'10" DB to jump 8 feet in the air to pick off the pass over the receiver. name one player in the NFL with a 96" vertical... my point exactly.
Some other issues I am having is that guys like Desean and Michael Vick are running through gang tackles of LBs and Safeties they don't even see coming, and just bouncing off of it to go to the races. My Defense will all overpursue the wrong way for no reason if the running back makes a single juke. Even the safeties playing 12 yards deep. I mean come the heck on, he makes a juke and my entire D all commits to the opposite direction leaving the outside wide open, only for him to finish the day breaking the rushing record that the previous opponent set the week before.
And then there are minor things like the wind direction being wrong, the scouting and offseason just being plain terrible, the 5000 rookie captains on each team, the terrible animations, and all the endless list of things that can pop in my head.
Oh, and then there are plays like this, which is just inexcusable... here is a video of something that happened against my defense last night...
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completely turned around, not even looking, chucks it off the back foot and across his body, only for my safety in coverage to stare at the ball, watch him catch it, and then dive and miss the tackle by 5 yards. just terrible...
Look... It's playoff time in the NFL, and any football fan, anyone who gambles on the playoff games in Vegas, and even many non football fans are getting pumped for this time of year. As each coming week approaches, the intensity and anticipation increases as we approach the Super Bowl. But we only get to watch games on Saturdays and Sundays. So in the mean time, is it too much to ask to enjoy a football game on the good ol' playstation to keep me entertained during the weeks? I didn't think so. Yet this game has no immersive quality to me, and it is just stale and boring. No other way to put it. All I can hope for is that somebody shows up to work next year and makes a game that we the fans can all love and enjoy, and play for hours and hours on end. something immersive and addicting... but this game fails to do that, and has for years and years. If this is the direction they are headed in for next gen, I am truely disappointed... if i put it any other way, I would not be telling the truth.Last edited by HingleMcCringleberry; 01-09-2014, 06:23 PM.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
At first it was just ok. nothing more, and maybe a tad less. I was gifted it for christmas by someone and since I didn't want to be mean and I heard a few good things on here, I decided why the hell not... I didn't have to pay for it, and I might as well just see for myself if this is anywhere in the right direction.
After continuously quitting games halfway through (regardless of the score) due to it just being so motionless, I have become entirely fed up with the fact that it is just more of the same nonsense. Now let me give a few examples...
The CPU on All Pro can run the ball for 250 yards a game on me on 15 carries, while any (and I mean ANY) RB I use runs with worse ability than Trent Richardson. For example, my created 95 OVR running back with 95 SPD is averaging 2.4 YPC 7 games into the season. My backups are doing much worse, all averaging under 2.2... Not that it prevents me from winning, because if I really wanted to I can throw the ball for 700 yards a game, but I really don't want my QB breaking the career yardage and touchdown record in one season.
Another thing. I have guys run routes and are completely covered, only to have an area of wide open field that I would see and any other player would see in the NFL. Afterall, it is the NFL and these guys catch on to openings in coverage immediately. They are trained to do so. Yet they will stand right behind a defender for 5 seconds giving me nowhere to throw, when they have 30 yards of open field if they just adjust to go 5 yards over to the right to give me a slight window. Another issue is that I will have guys with open field ahead of them decide to shade back into the coverage. If a guy is running a comeback route but they have a wide open field and huge gap in the coverage ahead of them, most NFL players will ignore the comeback route and just switch to a go route to burn the gaping whole in the D. Not in this game. My guy will comeback and instead of my QB throwing where I personally read the coverage is open, he throws the regular route right where the linebacker is covering for the curl to flat area and he picks it off and runs it back. Even when I played back when, if I saw an opening like that I would throw it right there. The best QBs in the league make a living off of reads like that, and all NFL teams practice reading coverages so it becomes second nature.
Also, why is every single deep route underthrown, and perfectly placed passes just watched by WR and such. I will have a pass thrown perfectly to the sideline, only for my guy to just keep running at the ball instead of extending and dragging the feet. if they made the effort and dropped it, i would be okay with it. but they don't... they just watch it and run OB in a clueless manner. And then a wide open deep route where my 6'5" WR with 99SPD is 5-10 yards behind the coverage, my 99OVR QB will underthrow the ball consistently (on a 25-30 yard pass downfield), or the pass will be perfect only for a 5'10" DB to jump 8 feet in the air to pick off the pass over the receiver. name one player in the NFL with a 96" vertical... my point exactly.
Some other issues I am having is that guys like Desean and Michael Vick are running through gang tackles of LBs and Safeties they don't even see coming, and just bouncing off of it to go to the races. My Defense will all overpursue the wrong way for no reason if the running back makes a single juke. Even the safeties playing 12 yards deep. I mean come the heck on, he makes a juke and my entire D all commits to the opposite direction leaving the outside wide open, only for him to finish the day breaking the rushing record that the previous opponent set the week before.
And then there are minor things like the wind direction being wrong, the scouting and offseason just being plain terrible, the 5000 rookie captains on each team, the terrible animations, and all the endless list of things that can pop in my head.
Oh, and then there are plays like this, which is just inexcusable... here is a video of something that happened against my defense last night...
<iframe width="700" height="393.75" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/EeGIf5Us9-E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
completely turned around, not even looking, chucks it off the back foot and across his body, only for my safety in coverage to stare at the ball, watch him catch it, and then dive and miss the tackle by 5 yards. just terrible...
Look... It's playoff time in the NFL, and any football fan, anyone who gambles on the playoff games in Vegas, and even many non football fans are getting pumped for this time of year. As each coming week approaches, the intensity and anticipation increases as we approach the Super Bowl. But we only get to watch games on Saturdays and Sundays. So in the mean time, is it too much to ask to enjoy a football game on the good ol' playstation to keep me entertained during the weeks? I didn't think so. Yet this game has no immersive quality to me, and it is just stale and boring. No other way to put it. All I can hope for is that somebody shows up to work next year and makes a game that we the fans can all love and enjoy, and play for hours and hours on end. something immersive and addicting... but this game fails to do that, and has for years and years. If this is the direction they are headed in for next gen, I am truely disappointed... if i put it any other way, I would not be telling the truth.
Regarding your inability to run the ball, you really have to understand the nuances behind the new running engine. It took me a few games before I was able to be successful with it. I'm thinking about running a franchise with the Buccaneers (even though I'm a diehard Cowboys fan) because of how fun it is to run with Doug Martin in the game. The adjustment that I needed to make when jumping to NG Madden was learning not to rely on the sprint button so much. It's like the game is programmed to have the defense close in extremely fast when the sprint button is engaged.According to my old marketing professor, satisfaction is when product performance meets or exceeds consumer expectation.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
Your video is exactly the reason why I play with the QB Accuracy slider set at 10 for the Human and CPU. That, for me, eliminated all of the instances that your video showed. Now, if either me or the CPU attempted a pass like that, it would be thrown into the dirt or out of bounds, or worse yet, in the hands of the opposing team.
Regarding your inability to run the ball, you really have to understand the nuances behind the new running engine. It took me a few games before I was able to be successful with it. I'm thinking about running a franchise with the Buccaneers (even though I'm a diehard Cowboys fan) because of how fun it is to run with Doug Martin in the game. The adjustment that I needed to make when jumping to NG Madden was learning not to rely on the sprint button so much. It's like the game is programmed to have the defense close in extremely fast when the sprint button is engaged.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
I'm not sure but I play with 6 QB accuracy and I play with Jaguars and C.Henne is conpleting 56% of his passes.
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
Your video is exactly the reason why I play with the QB Accuracy slider set at 10 for the Human and CPU. That, for me, eliminated all of the instances that your video showed. Now, if either me or the CPU attempted a pass like that, it would be thrown into the dirt or out of bounds, or worse yet, in the hands of the opposing team.
Regarding your inability to run the ball, you really have to understand the nuances behind the new running engine. It took me a few games before I was able to be successful with it. I'm thinking about running a franchise with the Buccaneers (even though I'm a diehard Cowboys fan) because of how fun it is to run with Doug Martin in the game. The adjustment that I needed to make when jumping to NG Madden was learning not to rely on the sprint button so much. It's like the game is programmed to have the defense close in extremely fast when the sprint button is engaged.
As far as the video goes, that was just the classic "NEVER MAKE THAT THROW" style pass that would get anyone benched. I have the passing accuracy set to 6 but the thing that amazes me about it more than anything is that my DB just stood there and watched him catch it, and proceeded to dive to the ground 5 yards after completely missing the guy. It honestly doesn't so much frustrate me as make me laugh. Seems like the type of thing you do screwing around in the front yard for a good laugh. just chuck it up and see what happens.Last edited by HingleMcCringleberry; 01-10-2014, 01:02 AM.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
For the first time since Madden 10, I feel like it plays a fundamentally good game of football. Not perfect by any means, but it's starting to feel more like a football simulation. What I love most is how players are finally starting to move with a sense of weight and momentum.
With a good foundation now, I feel like EA can finally start to fix the problems that have plagued this series: incredibly stale and unfocused presentation, lack of penalties, boring commentary, lack of animations.
Just so long as they focus their resources on these core issues (and not on developing gimmicks to woo casual gamers), I think we could be in for a Madden renaissance.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
I'm also learning to count to three as soon as the ball is snap and making sure I make a decision before or when I get to three because holding the ball longer than that leads to a sack, just like in the real NFL. I'm also very mindful of how my quarterback is positioned when I throw the ball, making sure my feet are set. I know that if I throw on the run -- a strategy I used 75 percent of the time in NCAA without consequence -- chances are the ball is not going to be on target unless I'm using a quarterback with a high Throw on the Run rating. I like it like this. Like the previous poster mentions, it's not a perfect game, but it does present a fundamentally sound game of football once you get used to the subtle changes and realize that it's not the same Madden we've been playing despite its close resemblance .According to my old marketing professor, satisfaction is when product performance meets or exceeds consumer expectation.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
one issue i am having with the accuracy being too low (at least on my end) is that my guy will miss wide open passes 2 yards downfield without being pressured by more than 5 yards. It's terrible, and it's not realistic in the slightest bit. He also sometimes underthrows a 5 yard curl by several yards to where it just hits the ground near the Line of Scrimmage. Regardless of how i think, there are just some absolutely terrible throws out there, and I'm usually the guy that runs more dinks and dunks than anything. plus while you read something, the game reads an entirely different thing resulting in more errant passes. it gets real frustrating seeing a huge gap in the coverage only for your guy to throw directly into the coverage and get picked because Madden decided that was the best spot to throw.Comment
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Re: Has your outlook for Madden changed since playing M25 Next Gen?
There is absolutely nothing fundamentally sound about madden football. Nothing. Like the previous poster stated, it would be pointless to put up vids and screens of all the warps tears glitches etc. Nobody cares. This is the NBA Live of football.Comment
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