Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

[bodaciousmikie]

I'll pass this year. just going to get the updated rosters from here. Not worth spending $60+ every year for basically the same game but newer players added and newer features that just dwarfs glitches.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

Anybody excited about the high possibility of true step being all over the field this year?

[NicVirtue]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

Anybody excited about the high possibility of true step being all over the field this year?

Me, not really, because if they still move like robots and react like androids, it won't matter none. If players can still attempt and recover fumbles or attempt interceptions in nano seconds, or recover onside kicks with no catch animation (ball just warps into their hands), then true step on all sides of the field won't be enough for me.

[TheRealHST]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

I would say the opposite. They have no reason to get better, because people will buy it anyway.

Well, im optimistic and hopeful they would. Even if that's very naive

[Madwolf]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

I'm really disliking the lack of information headed into E3. That doesn't seem like a good sign to me. It is either VERY much the same game, or completely new.

[FaceMask]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

Me, not really, because if they still move like robots and react like androids, it won't matter none. If players can still attempt and recover fumbles or attempt interceptions in nano seconds, or recover onside kicks with no catch animation (ball just warps into their hands), then true step on all sides of the field won't be enough for me.

I lump "True Step" in with how they advertised pass trajectories. It's an example of how far this genre has been allowed to sink into the abyss. These are basic functions of the game, and Tiburon using them as promoted features is just disgusting to me.

Besides, "True Step" had a lot of problems. The biggest one for me is, when you catch a pass in the flat and the receiver takes a bunch of unnecessary tap-dancing steps rather than just turning the ball upfield. I can't tell you how many would-be first downs or sure TD's were killed because of that problem. Granted, in real life you're going to need to collect yourself, but not to the degree that "True Step" exaggerates. That said, sometimes things like that are put into a game to stop the player from having too many positive outcomes. But in Madden 25's case, I don't think that's why it's there. I just think it's not working properly.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

I'm really disliking the lack of information headed into E3. That doesn't seem like a good sign to me. It is either VERY much the same game, or completely new.

It was the same way last year, it's been tighter lipped since the last regime.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

I lump "True Step" in with how they advertised pass trajectories. It's an example of how far this genre has been allowed to sink into the abyss. These are basic functions of the game, and Tiburon using them as promoted features is just disgusting to me.

Besides, "True Step" had a lot of problems. The biggest one for me is, when you catch a pass in the flat and the receiver takes a bunch of unnecessary tap-dancing steps rather than just turning the ball upfield. I can't tell you how many would-be first downs or sure TD's were killed because of that problem. Granted, in real life you're going to need to collect yourself, but not to the degree that "True Step" exaggerates. That said, sometimes things like that are put into a game to stop the player from having too many positive outcomes. But in Madden 25's case, I don't think that's why it's there. I just think it's not working properly.

I feel the same exact way. Like mostly everything Tiburon implements into Madden, it's good in concept and theory, but poorly executed. As you said steps are just out of place. They end up being just extra poor animations on top of decent to poor animations instead of true momentum. Who knows, I hope they can get it together, but the history says otherwise.

[FaceMask]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

I feel the same exact way. Like mostly everything Tiburon implements into Madden, it's good in concept and theory, but poorly executed.

I'm always puzzled by that one myself. Or they do something hot and then take it out of the game (mostly in regards to presentation).

As you said steps are just out of place. They end up being just extra poor animations on top of decent to poor animations instead of true momentum. Who knows, I hope they can get it together, but the history says otherwise.

I think the worst one of all is when you have a clear running lane and you're pressing towards it and trying to get that just precise angle into it, but rather than the back just taking the hole he starts tap-dancing and/or makes a strange cut or lean that kills your run and gets you tackled. Based on that, I see they're trying to make body reactions more situational like they started to in Madden 11 with the body leaning, but too often in this game you wind up getting sucked into situations rather than them happening organically.

According to their marketing information from Madden 13, all of the cutting and such has been linked to be handled by their RTPe which actually isn't a bad idea in theory. But the bothersome part is that suction and loss of appropriate control were all issues in Madden prior to their introduction of Infinity and it's still a problem now. I'm interested to see how or even if they find a way to fix this issue. To me, the fix seems like it would be a multi-year project, and it may require some more suiting up which they don't seem to like to do much of.

[m1ke_nyc]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

I feel the same exact way. Like mostly everything Tiburon implements into Madden, it's good in concept and theory, but poorly executed. As you said steps are just out of place. They end up being just extra poor animations on top of decent to poor animations instead of true momentum. Who knows, I hope they can get it together, but the history says otherwise.

This is so true, everything they implement is always half as**d. Then they never build on anything. Features/gameplay mechanics always end up being scrapped. The infinity engine might be the first thing they actually hang on to. And might I add almost everything they put into the game has to have some stupid gimmick name to it so they can put it on the back of the box.

[reverend_heat]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

when you catch a pass in the flat and the receiver takes a bunch of unnecessary tap-dancing steps rather than just turning the ball upfield. I can't tell you how many would-be first downs or sure TD's were killed because of that problem. Granted, in real life you're going to need to collect yourself, but not to the degree that "True Step" exaggerates.

This this this, absolutely has got to be fixed, momentum is one thing, not being able to stop your controlled player with 5 yards of room before the sideline is ridiculous.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

It absolutely does help to not hold turbo/boost, but it needs to be tweaked heavily. Biggest problem to me is the base layer of animation/locomotion is a twitchy mess. No matter what they do, anything on top of that will not work for realism. Hopefully this transformation includes a replacement they've been working on, on the side.

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Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

One thing that would make me so happy is if instead of the blank black faces that we get when a player is created, we could get a cyber face similar to what The Show does. Would Honestly make my day.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

I said in an earlier post that one of my simple hopes is to see strong side and weak side defenders play the appropriate side albeit this still seems like im reachig for the stars when it comes to what Madden actually delivers.

Another simple facet of football that I would like to see delivered in Madden is stunts.

While a stunt can be complex re; how it is carried out in real life: its success is limited in Madden due to an inefficient level of acceleration from blitzers. The underlying issue though is the suction blocking.

Suction blocking needs to go and in its place needs to be an organic trench that actually puts stress on an olinemans footwork.

Olinemen react at supersonic speeds w little to no impact on footwork. It also does not help that defenders will trip and fall but olineman glide and warp thru bodies with no impedence to their pursuit path despite the obstacles in their way.

These are the Devs efforts to give the cpu and casual users more time in the pocket but it is also the bane of the pass rush d. This inept pass rush game that is overriden by hyperactive psychic olinemen reactions is what compels one to simply do away w a basic pass rush and go max coverage.

Now EA has taken the head off to cure the headache (nanos) and created another big ache in that same problem area.

I simply wish for balance and less polarizing extremes. Let the blitz work as it should and have the user adjust. There is a pocket presence mechanic that is being wasted.

Intelligence

Are we still going to have zone defenders covering the grass or air? DBs covering empty flat zones instead of extending their coverage to a threatened area like an olineman would?

You could send 1 WR against 8 defenders and he would still beat zone. Defenders mindlessly go ti their assigned zones regardless of seeing that the one threat that was there is no longer there.

This insanely dumbed down defensive AI needs to go. If olinemen show they can calculate pre snap and on the fly go to the area of threat: so can the D - they just need to be given the human intelligence to do so at a pro level of effort.

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[GiantBlue76]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Trailer - See The Transformation This June, Releases on August 26th

All you ever need to know about the developers of this game was stated by themselves when Madden 13 was released. Being able to throw the football OVER a defender was actually touted as an accomplishment in the game. Imagine not being able to hit the cutoff man in a baseball game or throw a bounce pass in an NBA game. This is what was actually touted as an "advancement" for this game. Not to mention, it STILL has issues. If you've had a chance to play the Show, you will realize how incredibly inept the development strategy for Madden is. That game has an UNBELIEVABLE amount of customization and depth to it. It's ridiculous. You really don't realize how far behind the rest of the sports genre madden actually is until you start to venture out into these other games. I don't follow baseball like I used to, but after seeing that game and spending some time watching my friends play, I am actually considering the possibility of getting a PS4 next year just for that game. It's that good. It also destroys this notion that the Tiburon folks seem to follow religiously, that the game needs to be dumbed down to an arcade game to sell. They have no clue. The only hope for football is if 2k can possibly return. The ability level of the people working on this game is not there. With the potential return of another football game, more will be accomplished in one year of development than has been done in madden in the last 10 years.

A lot of great posts are in here, but they are all pipe dreams. Madden is the joke of the sports genre, and I hope the developers know that and they rectify it. There are no more chances to be given, however. We've gone 10 years and have a silly game. Paper folding bodies, no penalties, poor ball physics, twitchy player movement, bugs everywhere, simplified-stripped career mode with little depth or actual NFL elements. Injury system, roster management, coaching staff management, personnel, etc. is all silly and pathetic compared to what else is out there in other sports games and even what was done back in 2004 for football (madden and other games).

It's all very sad and depressing. I will always continue to hold out hope that as a die hard football fan, I can get a realistic, simulation game that actually blows me away. Nothing in Madden blows you away. Instead, you find yourself saying, "are you serious?", "what the hell was he doing there?", etc. etc. Especially after seeing the same ridiculous spin and fall forward for 5 yards animation that the RBs do about 20 times a game, even when their momentum and the laws of physics say otherwise.