Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

[NicVirtue]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Just because a game doesn't have everything you are wanting doesn't mean it's substandard, it means you don't like it. I believe M15 will be a high quality game in many areas. We're seeing an alpha build of the same two teams every time, this is the least amount of footage in years that we have gotten to judge a game off of. This team is trying to undersell over deliver so keep that in mind.

To be fair, if a game coming out in this year lacks the lings that previous games had a decade ago, would it not be 100% fair to deem it substandard compared to what we used to have?

[treq21]

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@Jpdavis82:I know you are real high on this game and thats great. I hope you have hours of fun playing it. But the game is substandard to me when i can't get things that SHOULD have been in the game years ago.

How many years did it take for them to fix the WIND DIRECTION, for gods sake?

remember, I have been playing this game for nearly 25 years. if you want to keep buying Madden day one, go right ahead. But I will not. the game is not fun anymore. I feel like I have been playing the SAME GAME for years. they do the bare minimum they can to keep people buying it..... Until they show some effort, they will not see my money.

[SamuraiX]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

To be fair, if a game coming out in this year lacks the lings that previous games had a decade ago, would it not be 100% fair to deem it substandard compared to what we used to have?

When a game that came out a decade ago can even compare to a game coming out today it is so far past substandard.

Just sit and think about that, a game that came out 10 YEARS AGO. Compare a game like NBA 2k14 to Live 04 or 2k4. It rightfully blows those games out the water. When we can say Madden blows a 2k5 or a 2k8 out the water then it cam be deemed on par with where it should be.

[GiantBlue76]

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Different era, different leadership. Why would Sim care about free trips and a free game, he's there because he has a direct line to the devs. He talked with Cam 1 on 1 at E3, I bet not many GC's have been able to do that over the years. This team is more accessible and honest, the proof is in the pudding, but so far the only reason to doubt this team is because of two letters, there's no real reason to think they can't accomplish what they're trying to do besides that.

Sorry, but I'm calling BS on this right here in bold. Hatred for EA is misguided. Personally, I've been playing EA games since their inception. I even buy other games that have been published by EA. I was a HUGE fan of the Red Alert C&C games (published by EA after acquiring Westwood), Played all of the original EA sports games (loved them), Dead Space (incredible), and a slew of others. EA is not a "bad" company. The only part of EA I take issue with is Tiburon, and I've felt that way for a long time.

[treq21]

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Sorry, but I'm calling BS on this right here in bold. Hatred for EA is misguided. Personally, I've been playing EA games since their inception. I even buy other games that have been published by EA. I was a HUGE fan of the Red Alert C&C games (published by EA after acquiring Westwood), Played all of the original EA sports games (loved them), Dead Space (incredible), and a slew of others. EA is not a "bad" company. The only part of EA I take issue with is Tiburon, and I've felt that way for a long time.

I agree. I play their NHL series and I love it. Its not kneejerk hatred for EA. I've been playing their games for a quarter of a century. I just want a good game of NFL football that builds on itself year after year. But what I get is features constantly being removed and added back in a few years later as a new feature, and its just not cutting it for me anymore.

[SA1NT401]

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Do you honestly think all the game changers are doing this just so they can improve madden without any additional benefits to them.

Game changers are a joke. Nothing they report is ever accurate and their input is never utilized. All they are are people who get to play/see it early.




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[bucky60]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Exactly! How many years should we have to wait til next year???? Until I deem this game to be worthy of my 60 dollars, and more importantly my time, it will be a no buy for me. 2 years running now, and it looks like its going to be 3. As long as people keep buying a sub standard product they will keep delivering substandard products

I am one of the older guys on here and until recently had been playing madden every year since 1989. It saddens me it has to come to me not buying the game anymore because of so few advancements, and in some cases, going BACKWARDS. I thought we would have something really special by now, and had there been a competitor we probably would. Exclusivity has killed Madden.

I'm close to my mid 50's. I don't have a lot of time to wait and I'm not real happy about the past decade. Say it's 5+ years before things are even close to where they should be. How many more years will I have left? This is a big part of the frustration.

[dkp23]

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Game changers are a joke. Nothing they report is ever accurate and their input is never utilized. All they are are people who get to play/see it early.




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I think the gamechangers is a good program and i think some have the right idea, the issue is, i dont think i've ever seen a gamechanger speak negatively towards the game so if they had a major issue, i am not sure how in depth they can express those things. Every year, i see positive feedback leading up to the release with the routine saying of :
"You just have to play it to see"
"i was one that didnt like madden xx, but i like what they've done, that is saying something"
" they've built xx from the ground up"

When you play, we end up bitching about the same problems in the game.

Same story every year, i watch these videos and i see the same problems with a nice coat of paint over it.

[SA1NT401]

Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

I think the gamechangers is a good program and i think some have the right idea, the issue is, i dont think i've ever seen a gamechanger speak negatively towards the game so if they had a major issue, i am not sure how in depth they can express those things. Every year, i see positive feedback leading up to the release with the routine saying of :
"You just have to play it to see"
"i was one that didnt like madden xx, but i like what they've done, that is saying something"
" they've built xx from the ground up"

When you play, we end up bitching about the same problems in the game.

Same story every year, i watch these videos and i see the same problems with a nice coat of paint over it.

And there lies the problem. Why have them if all they do is force positive things?

Then when the game drops... All their " feedback" is ignored and the cycle repeats.

They are just additional spokes people limited to only positive comments.

Meaning? WORTHLESS


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[SamuraiX]

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And there lies the problem. Why have them if all they do is force positive things?

Then when the game drops... All their " feedback" is ignored and the cycle repeats.

They are just additional spokes people limited to only positive comments.

Meaning? WORTHLESS


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While it is very true that having a bunch of yes men being gamechangers does nothing for us as the consumers we have no idea what they may be saying to the development team when they get there. Although I do remember this one dude saying how the certain people that did have something to say magically ended up not being invited the following year so who knows?

[BezO]

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Different era, different leadership. Why would Sim care about free trips and a free game, he's there because he has a direct line to the devs. He talked with Cam 1 on 1 at E3, I bet not many GC's have been able to do that over the years. This team is more accessible and honest, the proof is in the pudding, but so far the only reason to doubt this team is because of two letters, there's no real reason to think they can't accomplish what they're trying to do besides that.

Who knows what they're trying to do though? Generally speaking, they're trying to make a simulation football game. But what does that mean? Ask what sim football is here at OS and you'll get almost as many answers as members.

So when someone says future games will have what we've all been waiting for, I have to wonder who the "all" is.

I'd argue they are less available than Ian and Phil Frasier ever were, different era or not.

Word! I think this future stuff would go over much smoother if it were from the source.

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road,

You beat me to it.

WOW... you want to talk about access, it's not even close. Both Ian and Phil were regular posters here. Forget talking about someone with direct access to someone else, Ian used to post WIP videos of stuff he was working on and ask for feedback. He used to drop posts in the middle of the night here (and another site) breaking down the formulas and tech they were using to improve turn rates and acceleration so that we'd have a better picture of what they were up against. Last time I looked, Ian still has blog posts in his arena from that era where he'd give behind the scenes looks at how the game was being build and how he was trying to change the foundation. They even hung around to take the bullets when things didn't come out as
expected.


@jp: I'll never take a man to task for being optimisit, but when you make posts like this saying "this team is more accessible" when it's clearly not the case, it really makes it seem like you have the blinders on.

And you beat me to it. Can't beat WIP vids and real time feedback.

Just because a game doesn't have everything you are wanting doesn't mean it's substandard, it means you don't like it. I believe M15 will be a high quality game in many areas. We're seeing an alpha build of the same two teams every time, this is the least amount of footage in years that we have gotten to judge a game off of. This team is trying to undersell over deliver so keep that in mind.

Of course it does. Substandard is an opinion. There are other games to compare Madden to. You either feel it meets the standard or don't.

[SmashMan]

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i dont think i've ever seen a gamechanger speak negatively towards the game

Don't get me wrong, I think it's clear that the Game Changer program is a PR move and nothing more - but if those members had anything negative to say, what purpose does it serve posting those concerns on message boards/YouTube when they have access to the development team and can voice things directly?

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

And there lies the problem. Why have them if all they do is force positive things?

Then when the game drops... All their " feedback" is ignored and the cycle repeats.

They are just additional spokes people limited to only positive comments.

Meaning? WORTHLESS


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I won't argue against this point too much, I'll just say that I think the program holds as much merit as it can. Meaning at the end of the day, varying intentions and ideas can only go so far when met with whatever hurdles there are to implementation and execution. I'm not saying that is the problem of the gamer nor should they care, I'm just mentioning it in regard to the Game Changer program. Just like the gamers that play this game, there are all kinds of people with varying POVs in that program but at the end of the day the final product speaks for itself.

I disagree adamantly with some of the POVs espoused from tourney style gamers and Game Changers but whenever the game lines up with those POVs, it's not the tourney style players fault, it's Tiburon's.

Nobody should have to ask or wishlist for realism to applicable elements in a simulation video game, that should be a given. Other type of gamers, casual, tourney or what have you, should be giving input on Madden UI and gameplay options to make the simulation video game more personally accessible and customizable. Instead we have this odd situation where applicable realism in a simulation video game is beholden to whether it's "too realistic", like that can ever happen in a video game. The VR field is trying desperately to create interactive programs as realistic as possible and they haven't achieved "too realistic", so I have no idea why Tiburon would be concerned with it in regards to Madden.

[jpdavis82]

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Don't get me wrong, I think it's clear that the Game Changer program is a PR move and nothing more - but if those members had anything negative to say, what purpose does it serve posting those concerns on message boards/YouTube when they have access to the development team and can voice things directly?

So what about QJB? He's a GC and in the NBA 2k program, even in their commercial.

[dkp23]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Don't get me wrong, I think it's clear that the Game Changer program is a PR move and nothing more - but if those members had anything negative to say, what purpose does it serve posting those concerns on message boards/YouTube when they have access to the development team and can voice things directly?

I agree, the game changer program is a PR move. They have members of the community attend and relay their message because the community trusts in the community, so if you have people within the community relay the message, we all tend to believe. If it is a positive one, then we all get excited, but after a few years, most of us know better now.

At least the gamechangers are there to relay some of our messages (hopefully), but because the development team answers to corporate, can't fully expect the game changers do actually do anything more than just giving them a wishlist. Still, it is good to have them out there.