Some Madden NFL 16 Features Revealed, Pre-Order & Deluxe Edition Details

[Big FN Deal]

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Wasnt it back in Madden 11 though? Also he refrenences UI and Screen deficiencies as the reason and not code. So maybe this is something that can be added since the UI has changed several times since Madden 09?

This is quite a convoluted rabbit hole, imo but I think you might be thinking of best on best principles, unless defensive assignments made it back after Madden 2009 and was taken out again, which is possible. Apparently defensive assignments were first removed for Madden 2009 though and at some point I seem to recall someone pointing out it was removed because it didn't function correctly, which I know from experience was the case. You could assign a defender to cover someone then if that person wasn't on the field for whatever reason, the defender might not cover anyone, lol.

EDIT: 03-02 DB/WR Interaction by Ian Cummings, the addition of defensive assignments, improvements in route and coverage animations, jostling, and improved press play http://www.operationsports.com/forum...fo-thread.html

Well true to Ian's word, defensive assignments did make it back in M10 and that's where it went wonky and eventually removed again at some point. I'd have to find that too but it's at that point where I recall it being removed due to coding, that I referred to earlier.

[aholbert32]

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This is quite a convoluted rabbit hole, imo but I think you might be thinking of best on best principles, unless defensive assignments made it back after Madden 2009 and was taken out again, which is possible. Apparently defensive assignments were first removed for Madden 2009 though and at some point I seem to recall someone pointing out it was removed because it didn't function correctly, which I know from experience was the case. You could assign a defender to cover someone then if that person wasn't on the field for whatever reason, the defender might not cover anyone, lol.

Jesus. LOL.

It seems so simple to implement.

[Big FN Deal]

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Jesus. LOL.

It seems so simple to implement.

I guess simple is relative.

To close all this out, apparently defensive assignments were removed for M12 and then they implemented "best on best" for M13. Maybe with best on best in place they can now add back defensive assignments as that might prevent anyone from being left uncovered.

[zoom zoom]

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Lucky, I can't really get into this mode bc I hate playing cheesers online and guys who can just buy the best team. It's unfortunate bc it seems like a fun mode and is obviously the future of madden.

I play MUT because I don't like cheesers. They are there, but with the promotion/demotion system, you will find that most of the games you play are fun and competitive. The cheeses move on up to higher levels.

And you can't buy the best team. When you do, you get promoted to a new level with guys that have players as good as you. Pay some to build up a decent team, and then stop.

There are eight levels. I'm currently playing in level four. Most games are hard fought and close. The guys at this level have paid some money to play, and aren't like the pub guys in online ranked matches. They don't jack around.

I understand the hatred some have for the mode. But many of the thoughts about it are simply wrong. On top of the improved online play, there are far more solo challenges than you will have time to play.

The real hurdle for most people is that it isn't sim. These are short quarters, but the same number of time outs and no one using the accelerated clocks means it is not as bad as it seems, even at 4 minutes.

What you get is a fantastic CCG version of Madden. It's deep and strategic, with plenty of clock management, strategic adjustments, and exploiting weaknesses. It is fun as hell, and you get a real feeling of ownership of your team.

But seriously, it can be fun without ever playing online. It's one of the very best things Madden did for this mode. I much prefer paying to play this mode than online vs., and it is not even close.

[roadman]

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This is quite a convoluted rabbit hole, imo but I think you might be thinking of best on best principles, unless defensive assignments made it back after Madden 2009 and was taken out again, which is possible. Apparently defensive assignments were first removed for Madden 2009 though and at some point I seem to recall someone pointing out it was removed because it didn't function correctly, which I know from experience was the case. You could assign a defender to cover someone then if that person wasn't on the field for whatever reason, the defender might not cover anyone, lol.

EDIT: 03-02 DB/WR Interaction by Ian Cummings, the addition of defensive assignments, improvements in route and coverage animations, jostling, and improved press play http://www.operationsports.com/forum...fo-thread.html



Well true to Ian's word, defensive assignments did make it back in M10 and that's where it went wonky and eventually removed again at some point. I'd have to find that too but it's at that point where I recall it being removed due to coding, that I referred to earlier.

I recall that pretty clearly.

You had to watch those assignments like a hawk or they would disappear or your Revis's of the world would switch to the #2 WR. It's was, now you see him, now you don't.

[Big FN Deal]

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I recall that pretty clearly.

You had to watch those assignments like a hawk or they would disappear or your Revis's of the world would switch to the #2 WR. It's was, now you see him, now you don't.

Exactly, once upon a time I played Madden for money and know all too well some of the glitches from the past. That's why I disagree when people claim Madden is even a solid video game aside from the lack of realism because I still remember things like the aforementioned defensive assignment glitch, along with "pressing" DBs sometimes causing passing defenders to switch man assignments in the middle of the play. I have since stopped playing Madden for money or even playing it period outside renting/buying used once all the patches are out to give it a try before returning it but I have a hard time believing there aren't still things like that which rear their heads when playing enough.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Exactly, once upon a time I played Madden for money and know all too well some of the glitches from the past. That's why I disagree when people claim Madden is even a solid video game aside from the lack of realism because I still remember things like the aforementioned defensive assignment glitch, along with "pressing" DBs sometimes causing passing defenders to switch man assignments in the middle of the play. I have since stopped playing Madden for money or even playing it period outside renting/buying used once all the patches are out to give it a try before returning it but I have a hard time believing there aren't still things like that which rear their heads when playing enough.

That is why I am glad EA Access is out. I am going to come on here and read reviews from people who's opinions that I respect before handing out some money. IMO you have CNN (Moody) and Fox (SimStandard) that you can listen to, but if I want to honestly know the pros and cons of the game I know that OS is the place to come to for an unbiased review of the game. Worst case scenario I can wait until February and get it for practically nothing.

[Gridiron]

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That is why I am glad EA Access is out. I am going to come on here and read reviews from people who's opinions that I respect before handing out some money. IMO you have InfoWars (Moody) and The Onion (SimStandard) that you can listen to, but if I want to honestly know the pros and cons of the game I know that OS is the place to come to for an unbiased review of the game. Worst case scenario I can wait until February and get it for practically nothing.

Fixed

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Fixed

Just saying, both of those groups are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Moody doesn't seem to harp on the things that Madden does right, yet that is all the SimStandard does nowadays. I want something in the middle.

[jpdavis82]

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Just saying, both of those groups are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Moody doesn't seem to harp on the things that Madden does right, yet that is all the SimStandard does nowadays. I want something in the middle.

Sim shoots us straight, he's pretty much told us everything that was going to be added into the game for the last several years, if you listen closely to what he says. He's also said time and time again, that the game isn't where we all want it yet and if it's not there for you yet, don't buy it. I listen to his radio show often, and nearly every week during this stage of development, and especially knowing what I know now about how all of this works, he's definitely telling everyone exactly what is going on and what is coming down the road. Sim has direct contact with the devs and gives his feedback to them directly, he's told all of us this several times, but for some reason people say he's not critical of what they are developing, that's just not the truth, I saw it first hand, it's a matter of when, not if, the developers are going to address the concerns that people have had on these forums all these years. Look at the last couple years, under Rex and Cam, they worked on nearly all of the major requests that people had been asking for, physics, o/d line play, foot planting, wr/db interactions, better penalty system, etc.... The implementation of those things may not be where we want it YET, but they are STILL working on all of these features and trying to get them to the level we are wanting. Their focus is on these gameplay issues and until they get these things where they are happy with them, they won't be paying as MUCH attention to the bells and whistles, doesn't mean they will ignore them altogether, but it won't be as high of a priority.

[capa]

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Has anyone heard if roster files will be able to be ported over to new edition this year? I am praying they will. Creating custom rosters (classic, specific year, etc) is just a brutal process and no way am I going through that again for 16!!

Please have someone bring this to the attention of the devs if possible. It should be something we had by now anyway. Long overdue.

Thanks!

C

[PeoplesChampGB]

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That's all fine and good. Just don't hype it if it is not going to work correctly. That is like me trying to sell you a car and saying that it's going to be great. You then buy it and the car runs fine, but there are no brakes.

[Big FN Deal]

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Sim shoots us straight, he's pretty much told us everything that was going to be added into the game for the last several years, if you listen closely to what he says. He's also said time and time again, that the game isn't where we all want it yet and if it's not there for you yet, don't buy it. I listen to his radio show often, and nearly every week during this stage of development, and especially knowing what I know now about how all of this works, he's definitely telling everyone exactly what is going on and what is coming down the road. Sim has direct contact with the devs and gives his feedback to them directly, he's told all of us this several times, but for some reason people say he's not critical of what they are developing, that's just not the truth, I saw it first hand, it's a matter of when, not if, the developers are going to address the concerns that people have had on these forums all these years. Look at the last couple years, under Rex and Cam, they worked on nearly all of the major requests that people had been asking for, physics, o/d line play, foot planting, wr/db interactions, better penalty system, etc.... The implementation of those things may not be where we want it YET, but they are STILL working on all of these features and trying to get them to the level we are wanting. Their focus is on these gameplay issues and until they get these things where they are happy with them, they won't be paying as MUCH attention to the bells and whistles, doesn't mean they will ignore them altogether, but it won't be as high of a priority.

Here's the thing though JP, the fact that they're trying to get the game play solid is definitely a good thing but all that really matters at the end of the day is the game now. The thing that seems to get missed whenever anyone rightly defends the effort this team is putting forth for game play is that the game in front of us is severely lacking. If those not currently satisfied with where the game is now, felt differently, then of course "heading in the right direction" would be enough but for someone like myself that finds the game incomplete currently, it's not. I'm just saying this in hopes that you and whoever else realize the context of the frustration surrounding Madden from people that enjoyed complete football video games in the past and other complete sports sims now.

That said I have pondered the notion that maybe it's important to tout what they/devs are trying to do because if we don't support it then it won't continue, I get that. However that's a stuff spot to put us in, as well as them/devs and I don't know how I feel about the whole thing. Part of me just wants a good football game to play and to do whatever it takes within reason to get that but another part of me resents the fact that workers and consumers would need to collaborate so diligently just to get football in a football game.

God bless Cam, Rex and whoever else is trying their best to get football in Madden but if another complete football game is ever available again, I won't touch another EA football title, ever, after the mess the company has made of football gaming this past decade.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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Sim shoots us straight, he's pretty much told us everything that was going to be added into the game for the last several years, if you listen closely to what he says. He's also said time and time again, that the game isn't where we all want it yet and if it's not there for you yet, don't buy it. I listen to his radio show often, and nearly every week during this stage of development, and especially knowing what I know now about how all of this works, he's definitely telling everyone exactly what is going on and what is coming down the road. Sim has direct contact with the devs and gives his feedback to them directly, he's told all of us this several times, but for some reason people say he's not critical of what they are developing, that's just not the truth, I saw it first hand, it's a matter of when, not if, the developers are going to address the concerns that people have had on these forums all these years. Look at the last couple years, under Rex and Cam, they worked on nearly all of the major requests that people had been asking for, physics, o/d line play, foot planting, wr/db interactions, better penalty system, etc.... The implementation of those things may not be where we want it YET, but they are STILL working on all of these features and trying to get them to the level we are wanting. Their focus is on these gameplay issues and until they get these things where they are happy with them, they won't be paying as MUCH attention to the bells and whistles, doesn't mean they will ignore them altogether, but it won't be as high of a priority.

I find it very difficult that they have been working on these issues, those in bold, for very long at all..The physics is basically faux physics in Madden which is based on getting animations to react a certain way; there is absolutely no true physics mechanism in game..

OL/DL interaction is again animations and those animations are not even in step with attributes, which has been shown many times in videos...

The WR/DB interaction is way off, and it is easy to figure out the basics of WR/DB interactions with google and/or youtube...

The problem seems to be a combination of many things, but most importantly is, IMO, a very poor gaming engine...Other games do much better on all aspects of physics, yet MAdden still relies on simple animations linked together...

I doubt anything will change for M16; though believing this, I still pre-ordered Madden 16...

Seriously, the programmers can't even make WR's aggressive enough to actually compete with DB's for the ball...SMH...THis is either poor programming or a deliberate attempt at forcing people to user WR catching; though even user catching is difficult cause WR's do not break out of their animations in time..

[DeuceDouglas]

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Just don't hype it if it is not going to work correctly.

This is how I feel the new penalties are going to turn out. They're hyping PI and defensive holding because we haven't seen it in years, or ever in defensive holding's case, but they are both penalties that get called on teams less than once per game. If we start seeing 5 PI calls and 3 holding calls a game, it's a complete failure. Sliders should help alleviate this but sliders haven't worked properly in years either so it could all just end up being a wash and making things worse.