Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

[Millennium]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I don't think there was anything disrespectful about his post. The way I read it he expressed his dissatisfaction and did so in an acceptable way. Sure, he didn't word it the best way he could have, but it was hardly worthy of a "warning."

Fortunately the staff here follows my direction.

If you'd like to have a conversation about the tone of posts and how the forum is handled, you are more than welcome to PM me as is directed in the TOS when you sign up as the appropriate action when questioning a moderator's decisions.

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[Gman 18]

Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Out of curiosity - Do you have the documentation showing what they use to create/update the ratings? Surely you do since you accuse a dev of being "gimmicky/opinionated".



This is your official warning - We don't take kindly to disrespectful/nonconstructive posting to anyone, much less the devs that take time out to come here and interact.

I never accused any specific dev of being
" gimmicky/opinionated ". All I was saying is that the rating system EA currently uses is outdated and is commonly a subject for argument mainly because a lot of the ratings are hype-driven rather than based on a player's actual on-field abilities. This is just my opinion, but im sure a lot of people can agree with me. At the end of the day we share a common opinion, we want the best football game possible. That's all. Im sorry if you took my post the wrong way, I was just stating how I feel about the ratings. I thought what I said in my post was somewhat relevant to the conversation


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[KANE699]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I go off tape and PFF..... hard to have any opinion in it really.

[jfsolo]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I go off tape and PFF..... hard to have any opinion in it really.

Can you say if you're doing the ratings for M17?

[StefJoeHalt]

Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I go off tape and PFF..... hard to have any opinion in it really.

Kane I have a question..if using PFF as a major source are u likely to move more towards there scale..cause as of right now, Madden still weighs a lot higher..see below




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[DCEBB2001]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I go off tape and PFF..... hard to have any opinion in it really.

Ah yes, the same PFF who declared Brad Jones as a budding star right before GB cut him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/24/secret-superstar-brad-jones/

If I may ask, where did you learn to break down game film? Did you coach or serve as a GA somewhere?

Just asking because I first learned from Mike O'Connell (http://www.wifca.org/news_article/sh...rrer_id=480362) while coaching at EC-Regis about a decade ago before being formally taught by David Te' Thomas (http://bleacherreport.com/users/153363-dave-te-thomas) while serving as a midwest regional scout at NFLDS from 2005-2009.

It just goes to show you that everyone gets a start somewhere and I wanted to know where you got yours.

[khaliib]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Kane I have a question..if using PFF as a major source are u likely to move more towards there scale..cause as of right now, Madden still weighs a lot higher..see below




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The game already uses this format in CFM (under the hood) to represent team/league value.
(**is not the seen OVR)

90-99 = Icon (i.e. Team Cornerstones)
82-89 = Award Winner (i.e. Pro Bowler)
76-81 = Captain
70-75 = Marquee
60-69 = Regular
59 & under

[StefJoeHalt]

Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

The game already uses this format in CFM (under the hood) to represent team/league value.

(**is not the seen OVR)



90-99 = Icon (i.e. Team Cornerstones)

82-89 = Award Winner (i.e. Pro Bowler)

76-81 = Captain

70-75 = Marquee

60-69 = Regular

59 & under

Ok...but wouldn't it be better if there was a scale or this scale used for players true value..similar to what u see with FBG ratings


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[khaliib]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Ok...but wouldn't it be better if there was a scale or this scale used for players true value..similar to what u see with FBG ratings


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My answer is that "Ratings" function in various roles within the overall scope of the game, beyond just a "player value" system.

What doesn't get discussed when talking about what mechanism/model should be used, is the "functionality" implication of a rating/model change upon years of coding, especially since Madden is not being rebuilt from the ground up. (per say)

A changed ratings model has implications upon these aspects of coding.
1) Player Contracts

2) Depth Charts

3) Animations
- triggering levels
- ability to expand/add hundreds or more upon a "particular" rating, there by, limiting the ability to make an aspect of gameplay more fluid

4) Die Roll/Win Loss

5) Coach's/Staff. (they're part of the current model used)
- they impact player ratings

6) Subjective Areas
- Stamina
- Injury

Again, ratings go beyond the scope of just "player value" and have a multitude of implications upon the "functionality" of Madden as a whole.

To be honest, if Madden was built to a 100% replication of the NFL, most wouldn't enjoy themselves while playing, because our perspectives of the sport vary for a plethora of reasons, an element of "fantasy" must be present in Madden to capture such a broad stroke of perspectives.

That's the beauty of video games!!!

[SECElit3]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Ah yes, the same PFF who declared Brad Jones as a budding star right before GB cut him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/24/secret-superstar-brad-jones/

If I may ask, where did you learn to break down game film? Did you coach or serve as a GA somewhere?

Just asking because I first learned from Mike O'Connell (http://www.wifca.org/news_article/sh...rrer_id=480362) while coaching at EC-Regis about a decade ago before being formally taught by David Te' Thomas (http://bleacherreport.com/users/153363-dave-te-thomas) while serving as a midwest regional scout at NFLDS from 2005-2009.

It just goes to show you that everyone gets a start somewhere and I wanted to know where you got yours.

Did you actually expect a response Dan? Again, uniform guys should stick with uniforms. Kane does a fair job at them. Ratings should be handled by someone who only has that responsibility.

The process in it's current state is destined for failure, as indicated by some of the late season ratings.


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[SECElit3]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

90-100 should be Hall of Famer territory. And as stated, by an earlier poster, Dallas is extremely overrated.


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[kehlis]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Did you actually expect a response Dan?

This is not at all fair.

The question was asked at 3 pm on friggin Christmas.

I'm all for fair criticism but lets not say something like this when the guy hasn't even been given a fair chance to respond.

[SECElit3]

Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

This is not at all fair.



The question was asked at 3 pm on friggin Christmas.



I'm all for fair criticism but lets not say something like this when the guy hasn't even been given a fair chance to respond.

Agreed... We will await the response


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[roadman]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I thought it was Christmas time when one spreads good cheer and good will all around.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if people aren't working during the holidays and enjoying time off with their families.

[jfsolo]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

He shouldn't respond. The way in which the question was asked, it seemed quasi-rhetorical anyway, by its tenor lends itself to being ignored.