Madden NFL 16 Player Ratings - Top 6 Quarterbacks

[talucchesi]

You know the real funny thing about this is that I am just interpolating the scouting data. I am NOT rating these players. An NFL front office has scouts who are rating the players with this much of a gap. My bias is not included. If people understood that professional scouts who work for an NFL front office are saying that this is how players should be rated, would that change their minds?

If I am brought in to do these ratings, I would simply ignore people who are ignorant to the facts.

To be clear I looove the idea of your rating system, it separates the good from the great. What I have a problem with is when Tom Brady is not a top 5 quarterback, and I KNOW Nfl scouts, casual fans, fellow players, your grandma can all agree TB is a top 5 quarterback...

Now maybe the overall system needs to be adjusted. If the players play the way they do in real life in the game, thats awesome. But your rating system is gonna scare away a lot of people when Tom Brady isn't a top 5 qb

[talucchesi]

Yeah, except it's not. Aaron Rodgers had 3 bad regular season games, Romo only had 2. Romo statistically had a better playoff season as well: higher completion percentage, better QB rating, no INT's.

Aaron Rodgers wasn't even the best player in football to begin with. JJ Watt was, and had the Texans made the playoffs Watt would've been the NFL MVP.



Add that to Romo's case.

I respect your argument but I have to disagree a little bit.

To me, Romo had the almost EXACT same year Romo has every other year. The only difference? Slightly less mistakes and was asked to do slightly less. So if this is the case, Romo should be top 3 for winning MVP or best QB every year (shoot maybe he should lol, whole 'nother discussion).

The only thing that put Aaron ahead for me is that he had to carry a team, while in my opinion Romo wasn't even the most valuable to our team. IMO Dmo or the entire offensive line should be winning MVP over Tony

[talucchesi]

The way I see it, if production and injuries affect the OVR score as separate attributes for scouts, why wouldn't it be a part of Madden? Or, why NOT have it a part of Madden. Seems to make sense to me. The people can see why a guy like Romo, IN THE OFFSEAON, is only a 73 OVR (still very good). They can look at his injury modifier (as part of the OVR grade) and make a decision to play him (risking further injury) or sit him until he gets healthy. Obviously teams take that chance in real life and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Last year, it worked for Romo, and his OVR went up. Once the season ended, it went down.

That seems to be a dynamic answer to this problem. Give the users all the data they want and let them take the risks in their own CFM.

I second this, this sounds awesome

I apologize Dan for being so harsh earlier, I really like this idea now that I understand it fully

[DCEBB2001]

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To be clear I looove the idea of your rating system, it separates the good from the great. What I have a problem with is when Tom Brady is not a top 5 quarterback, and I KNOW Nfl scouts, casual fans, fellow players, your grandma can all agree TB is a top 5 quarterback...

Now maybe the overall system needs to be adjusted. If the players play the way they do in real life in the game, thats awesome. But your rating system is gonna scare away a lot of people when Tom Brady isn't a top 5 qb

Read the FAQ on my page about injuries/suspensions affecting the OVR grade. Once he gets cleared to be back on the field, his grade will go back up to what it was before the suspension was handed down:

http://www.fbgratings.com/members/ratings.php?genpos=QB

[AP 17]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/13261036/league-insiders-rank-32-starting-quarterbacks-tiers-nfl

Everyone seems to be an expert. Well let's see what the real experts say. Brady not in the top 5, u must be a Jets fan!

[Sheba2011]

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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/13261036/league-insiders-rank-32-starting-quarterbacks-tiers-nfl

Everyone seems to be an expert. Well let's see what the real experts say. Brady not in the top 5, u must be a Jets fan!

When did ESPN become the real experts lol? Real experts at gossip and Lebron James fandom maybe.

[gr18]

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No one should be surprised when Peyton is playing like a top 2 or 3 qb for at least the first half of the season anyway.Don't trust the second half though until I see otherwise.

[Sheba2011]

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No one should be surprised when Peyton is playing like a top 2 or 3 qb for at least the first half of the season anyway.Don't trust the second half though until I see otherwise.

Even as a Patriots/Brady fan I respect the hell out of Manning and think he is one of the top 10 greatest QB's to ever play the game. But I think his career is just about over. And with Baltimore, KC, Detroit, Green Bay and Indy in his first 8 games it might be a rough stretch. The final 8 is even worse KC, Chicago, New England, SD (twice), Pittsburgh and Cincy. Denver could be looking at a 6-7 win season this year.

[The JareBear]

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Peyton is absolutely not a top 5 qb anymore. If the Super Bowl is today and I have to pick a QB to win it for me I can think of 7 guys I take over him easily. He's still a low-upper or high-middle tier player due to his outstanding football IQ and ability to read defenses but physically he has extremely few tools left at his disposal

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I think you just gotta take a wait and see approach with Peyton from here on out. You know he's going to show up one year and just be finished basically. Despite the way last year ended, he was still one of the best QBs in the league for the overall year. If he's actually healthier this year like the reports say, there's no reason he can't be one of the best again.

If the season had ended after just half a season, you would have thought Peyton was top 3 and Brady was hitting the wall. The NFL season is very fluid.


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[TD3322]

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Romo better be sixth here. Perception is truly reality when it comes to sports.

Not quite sure how Big Ben is ahead of him, living off of his rings I see.

I can see Peyton being over Romo, I'd accept that.

Agreed... I have been disgusted by the way Romo has been rated in Madden every year. He should have one of the Highest Elusiveness Ratings at the QB Pos. Probly a higher Agl/Acc rating too. He's slipped more would be sacks then any of the "Mobile" QBs like Vick, RGKnee, Wilson, Kaep, etc. & spun out of the pocket to elude the rush, all while keeping his eyes downfield & manuevering himself & his WRs into position to make a huge play better then Anyone Ive ever seen do it... Save for maybe Randall Cunningham. Romo's Awareness, throw on the run, elusiveness, spin move and Deep ball should be right up around the top of the list...

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[FaceMask]

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If the Super Bowl is today and I have to pick a QB to win it for me I can think of 7 guys I take over him easily.

Honestly, you could pick any year of his career and I would've said this, maybe not 7 guys, but still. He's had a lot of playoff meltdowns, and save for the AFC Championship comeback against New England in the year he won his lone Super Bowl, he was unspectacular in that playoff season, and I still say Dominic Rhodes--not Peyton Manning--should've won Super Bowl MVP that year.

[jshake8]

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I don't know. We will have to see how things shake out before then.

That makes it difficult to take your evaluation seriously. Tom Brady is quite obviously one of the best QB's in the league. Suspended or not, his overall should reflect his abilities.

[DCEBB2001]

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That makes it difficult to take your evaluation seriously. Tom Brady is quite obviously one of the best QB's in the league. Suspended or not, his overall should reflect his abilities.

This is one of the most asinine arguments I have ever seen.

His attributes say what he should be as a player, not his overall. The overall grade applied to him by the scouts is the only thing holding him back. Like I said before, and this is me simply knowing how the data ebbs and flows, once he is cleared to play (whenever that is) his OVR grade will go back up because the hold will be removed. It doesn't affect his abilities one darn bit.

In fact, I think it would be best if the darn OVR was entirely disregarded altogether. His attributes should reflect his abilities, not his overall.

[jshake8]

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This is one of the most asinine arguments I have ever seen.

His attributes say what he should be as a player, not his overall. The overall grade applied to him by the scouts is the only thing holding him back. Like I said before, and this is me simply knowing how the data ebbs and flows, once he is cleared to play (whenever that is) his OVR grade will go back up because the hold will be removed. It doesn't affect his abilities one darn bit.

In fact, I think it would be best if the darn OVR was entirely disregarded altogether. His attributes should reflect his abilities, not his overall.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Yes, his attributes say what he should be as a player, but the overall should reflect those numbers. The overall is important in Madden because of CPU player management. I don't see how you could intelligently make a trade with the CPU if there was no overall. I think re-tooling the calculations is necessary, but not getting rid of it all together.

I asked you if Tom Brady would be a top 5 QB if Madden came out today, and you said idk. That doesn't make any sense to me. You and I both know (I hope) that Tom Brady is one of the best in the game. I don't care if he's suspended a few games. It's not like he just magically got worse at playing football. So when you present your top 5 QB's and leave Tom Brady out because of a suspension, it really doesn't make much sense in the Madden world. Or the real world for that matter.