Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

[fistofrage]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

Youd think at this point theyd start having a short beta prior to release. People would find bugs within hours and they could be dealt with before releasing the game. Why EA wont go that direction is beyond me

Why do that when you have thousands of people willing to pay $60 to be part of the beta. And even if they beta test there is no guarantee that they won't throw out a patch or Looney Tuner that will break something else. All indications are Robo QB has been tuned back in even after they QB accuracy had received widespread praise. There is no good solution to this, other than wait 3 months for all the patches and tuners to be released and then have the guys here at OS develop a manual worth of workarounds and house rules to make the game play as well as it did 10 years ago on the PS2. Very frustrating.

[DreSki]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

From personal experience after reading through the thread the QB scrambling problem happend to me sometimes before the patch even hit. Id have games vs pocket QBs that would take off and book it as soon as they said go so i dont think its a patch problem. I mean maybe the patch made it happen more often for some but ive seen it before the patch and the tuner sometimes.

[phillyfan23]

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I was going to post it but it seems you guys already know. What is amazing is that this method make confidence much more balance than before. First it eliminates drive goals that are the issue here. Second it simulates confidence the same way that with CPU teams so you don't get the extra confidence that drive goals has. And lastly confidence make sense. It rewards you for real accomplishment and it punish you for bad performance. On my test game I lost the game and look on the video how my confidence was impacted.

The game played exactly as on play now with many overthrows and good things from the play now gameplay but on cfm.

I'll edit those videos later. One on how it was when playing solo offline and the other playing 32 teams.


Video after solo offline.

https://youtu.be/xnlEawJCIFU

Video with 32 offline (lost game)

https://youtu.be/_Xuys6a4l_o

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The player confidence in the 2nd video looks great! It makes sense and it potentially could add to the franchise mode.

Honestly speaking, I couldn't careless about franchise, I'm a season mode type of player, give me play now gameplay with a confidence XP system that makes sense, and the game could go places. If the confidence works like that in the video, it actually will add another layer of strategy. You don't involve your receivers and their ratings can take a hit.

This video has me excited because I just want to play one season and then change teams. Hopefully, with this 32 team workaround, it can be accomplished.

[bkrich83]

Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

I was going to post it but it seems you guys already know. What is amazing is that this method make confidence much more balance than before. First it eliminates drive goals that are the issue here. Second it simulates confidence the same way that with CPU teams so you don't get the extra confidence that drive goals has. And lastly confidence make sense. It rewards you for real accomplishment and it punish you for bad performance. On my test game I lost the game and look on the video how my confidence was impacted.

The game played exactly as on play now with many overthrows and good things from the play now gameplay but on cfm.

I'll edit those videos later. One on how it was when playing solo offline and the other playing 32 teams.


Video after solo offline.

https://youtu.be/xnlEawJCIFU

Video with 32 offline (lost game)

https://youtu.be/_Xuys6a4l_o

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If this proves out, that's all the evidence I need to show drive goals and confidence are the cause of our issues.


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[lvann4x]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

If this proves out, that's all the evidence I need to show drive goals and confidence are the cause of our issues.


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So, what is the workaround method?

[RogueHominid]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

Is there consensus yet on whether the 32-team control setup works equally well with or without the tuner? Or is it the case that the game plays best w/o the tuner?

[Roncatto]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

Ok so I simmed 3 seasons, but stopped at end of each one to check PBK for LT's

You will be pleased to hear that on 4 week progression, the only player dumped for being utter garbage was Oher.

Robinson, actually recovered. Went down to a 75, up to 85 in season 2, down to 80 in season 3.

QB awr i also looked at - the top tier QB's stayed between 82-95, then the rookies and poor QB's went down to 55-65

This is ONLINE CFM-- I swear they have tweaked something.

One more test on weekly progression to see if changes QB awr much and how impacts LT PBK

Edit:- I also deleted the tuner and reinstalled

[muelly]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

Ok so I simmed 3 seasons, but stopped at end of each one to check PBK for LT's

You will be pleased to hear that on 4 week progression, the only player dumped for being utter garbage was Oher.

Robinson, actually recovered. Went down to a 75, up to 85 in season 2, down to 80 in season 3.

QB awr i also looked at - the top tier QB's stayed between 82-95, then the rookies and poor QB's went down to 55-65

This is ONLINE CFM-- I swear they have tweaked something.

One more test on weekly progression to see if changes QB awr much and how impacts LT PBK

Edit:- I also deleted the tuner and reinstalled

Tuner wont matter online it's required to be there, likely server side anyway.


The issue most are battling aside from regression has more to do with confidence getting out of control due to drive goals.


Check your players confidence rating, most will be 99 or very close.

[Phobia]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

This was from a Play Now game with the tuner & patch(default All-Pro sliders), so testing this in a CFM would be next step only. Aside from the confidence & drive goals causing problems in CFM. Now with that said, I saw no issues with the Fitz taking off, so is it only a CFM issue?

We are almost ready to start our CFM in Madden. I've been finalizing the settings to get realistic stats that mirror the NFL. So last night for the Patriots vs Steelers, I really paid close attention to these things.

1) Question: When do they break huddle, how much time is left on the play clock??
Answer: 22 to 20 secs

2) Question: When do most snaps occur on the play clock??
Answer: Any where from 12 secs to 1 sec. More commonly under 8 seconds

3) Question: How many adjustments do the QB's make at the line?
Answer: Very little, MAYBE 1 hot read is called such as telling a WR to slant instead of curl. The majority of the time, they get to the line, adjust the line protection (easy to do in madden), then run the play. So 1 to 2 quick adjustments are made not entire redesigns of plays like you see online in madden. People calling 10 route adjustments is annoying.

So based on this information, after the game I ran a test game against the CPU to see how it played. Here is the settings and stats, see what you think. The game played extremely fun and realistic. Key note, 15 sec accelerated clock is needed otherwise the CPU will snap the ball with 15+ seconds often if you use 20 sec accel clock.

Settings
All Pro
15 min Quarters (real time length)
15 sec Accel clock (Only enough time at line for one adjustment MAYBE two)

Score
Rams(Me) - 27
Jets (CPU) - 20

Passing
25/36 - 266 yards - 69% - 1 TD - 4 INT - Foles(Rams)
20/30 - 182 yards - 67% - 1 TD - 3 INT - Fitz(Jets)

Rushing
29 carries - 129 yards - 4.4 per carry - 2 TD - Mason(Rams)
24 carries - 101 yards - 4.2 per carry - 0 TD - Ivory(Jets)

Receiving
8 catches - 65 Yards - 8.1 ypc - Cook(Rams)
6 catches - 86 yards - 14.3 ypc - 1 TD - Bailey (Rams)
6 catches - 29 yards - 4.8 ypc - Ivory(Jets)
5 catches - 37 yards - 7.4 ypc - Keryley(Jets)

Defense
8 solo - 2 asst - 10 total - 4 tackle for loss - Laurinaitis (Rams)
6 solo - 3 asst - 9 total - 2 INT - Revis (Jets)
5 solo - 9 asst - 14 total - 1 INT - Harris (Jets)
5 solo - 5 asst - 10 total - McLeod (Rams)

Now lets compare those game stats & numbers to last nights real stats.

Score
Patriots - 28
Steelers - 21

Passing
25/32 - 288 yards - 78% - 4 TD - 0 INT - Brady(Patriots)
26/38 - 351 yards - 68% - 1 TD - 1 INT - Roethlisberger(Steelers)

Rushing
15 carries - 69 yards - 4.6 per carry - 0 TD - Lewis(Patriots)
21 carries - 127 yards - 6.0 per carry - 0 TD - Williams(Steelers)

Receiving
11 catches - 97 yards - 8.8 ypc - 0 TD - Edelman(Patriots)
5 catches - 94 yards - 18.8 ypc - 3 TD - Gronk(Patriots)
9 catches - 133 yards - 14.7 ypc - 1 TD - Brown(Steelers)
8 catches - 84 yards - 10.5 ypc - 0 TD - Miller(Steelers)

Defense (NFL Does not track tackles for loss)
6 solo - 2 asst - 8 total - 1 Sack - Hightower(Patriots)
4 solo - 2 asst - 6 total - 0 sack - Fletcher(Patriots)
8 solo - 0 asst - 8 total - 1 sack - Allen(Steelers)
5 solo - 2 asst - 7 total - 0 sack - Shazier(Steelers)

Analyzing the numbers between the two, they look extremely good. Both look very realistic(one better since it is real lol). We played slightly different, where the Rams vs Jets saw more of a running game since we both didn't have good QB's. While the Patriots vs Steelers game saw far more of a gunslinger passing game. The only issue that stood out to me was the assist tackles in the madden game. I think madden calculates assist even if the defender dives in on the tackle, because the assist numbers are little high. Now maybe this was just because it featured more ground game than a passing attack like the Patriots game.

All in all, this should make for a very fun madden season if we can get the other issues worked out, I just need to work on not throwing INT's lol.

Passing plays
Madden Game - 66
Real Game - 70

Rushing plays
Madden Game - 53
Real Game - 49

Totals plays
Madden Game - 119 plays
Real Game - 119 plays

Crazy how similar everything is to a real game! Only big difference to get figured out. Patriots vs Steelers had 15 penalties for a total of 141 yards. My Rams vs Jets game saw 2 for 30 yards (both face mask).

[dubplate]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

Correct me if I am wrong, but the consensus seems to be...

Offline CFM without tuner
32 Team Control with coach firing off
CPU progression weekly

This thread is moving fast so it's hard to keep track of all the great fixes people are coming up with.

[Roncatto]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

Tuner wont matter online it's required to be there, likely server side anyway.


The issue most are battling aside from regression has more to do with confidence getting out of control due to drive goals.


Check your players confidence rating, most will be 99 or very close.

Actually no - This is end of season 2 - CNF rating at the top - 91,89,88,85,76,76

Perhaps the confidence problem comes from live play not simming?

Ok Simmed 2 seasons again, this time with Weekly progression.

QB awr not too dissimilar - Some stayed, some plummeted.

LT PBK - Was slightly worse but not crazy.

I think 4 week progression maybe the way to go for now.

When new roster hits will try one more, Its not perfect but might be playable.... if you are happy to play Cloud CFM

[noplace]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

Wonder if the roster update will include practice squad players or just the 53 with IR players with the PS players in the FA pool...

[Bull_Market]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

I appreciate all the work that guys have found to make the game more enjoyable. But, I work 50 hours a week and have I wife, I have a 3 day weekend and Im just going to play, bugs and all. No workarounds, etc. Im not going to my job all week only to come home and be an unpaid intern for EA. By the time I'm done doing "workarounds" there won't be any actual time left to play the actual game.

[StevenSD]

Re: Madden NFL 16 Title Update #1 Available Now, Roster Update Scheduled For Friday

I was looking last night, and only thing I had an option to delete was the patch from Weds., how can we delete the tuner?

[Cpterp22]

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Will they still sign FA and resign their own, handle draft duties scouting etc.


What if I try to trade with them will the cpu veto or will it go to full user control. No coach movement I can deal with, certainly better than seeing "insert name" generic face on the sidelines.


I've read elsewhere you should make the team you don't wish to play as commissioner, any truth? Never done any of this before but if it improves gameplay sign me up!

Not sure, but a great question. At least Madden won't advice a week or days like on 2k because everyone doesn't play every night, so I can run all teams before advancing