Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

[GoJags904]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

Concerning the bolded part, uh, yeah they do, by the millions. Sorry, you and you competitive gaming brethren who played in online franchises were and still are in the vast minority. Online or offline, penalties are in the "do not want" category for most Madden gamers. For many it isn't a yes or no question when it comes to realism. It's realism, up to a point.[/quote]

To me that is a huge problem. I wouldn't care if millions hated NBA fouls, FIFA penalty cards, NHL penalties, etc.; if those games have it, there's ZERO excuse.

[jb12780]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

Yes.

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[Nemesis Enforcer]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

Yes if it's user initiated and bring back fair play mode.

[Big FN Deal]

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Concerning the bolded part, uh, yeah they do, by the millions. Sorry, you and you competitive gaming brethren who played in online franchises were and still are in the vast minority. Online or offline, penalties are in the "do not want" category for most Madden gamers. For many it isn't a yes or no question when it comes to realism. It's realism, up to a point.

I think the key part you missed about the bold was "no one expects", what one wants is besides the point, options are for wants, default setting is about reasonable expectations. I'm not splitting hairs here either, that's a key distinction in something as basic to football as penalties and more specifically PI penalties.

Also I tried to clearly point out, I'm not just an online franchise gamer, I've been online gaming and playing competitive long before online franchise was in-game, I've never encountered any player during that time which expected too not have penalties on.

One more thing, for as long as Madden has had online ranked matches, until apparently recently, all penalties have always been locked on, yet still millions of games have been logged, youtubed and streamed, so I don't understand why this is some online issue now or something millions of gamers are supposedly asking for.

[Hooe]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

Be more specific.

Online games in Connected Franchise, where the target audience expects a more authentic experience? Absolutely, yes.

Competitive / eSports modes and events using Ultimate Team / Draft Champions where user stick skills' influence on the outcome is paramount? No for CPU-triggered penalties, yes for user-triggered penalties.

Online unranked / play a friend? Should be user preference.

The answer to this question doesn't and shouldn't have to be cookie-cutter.

[DeuceDouglas]

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One more thing, for as long as Madden has had online ranked matches, until apparently recently, all penalties have always been locked on, yet still millions of games have been logged, youtubed and streamed, so I don't understand why this is some online issue now or something millions of gamers are supposedly asking for.

Because before penalties were more or less already off by nature in the fact that they were insignificant and rare. Pair that with Madden's direction of providing user input at increasingly more scenario and it in turn makes the user want control over everything else they don't have control over.

But to your point I think it's almost more something they've created themselves than something that has been asked for or demanded. They take a ton of pride in the PvP aspect of Madden and don't ever want to lose that. Kolbe brought it up a few times when talking about CFM last year and even during one of the first E3 streams when they were talking about penalties one of the first things Rex mentioned about penalties was that they wouldn't be online because they weren't fun. And I'm sure they'd have data and research to back that up but it's just my opinion that penalties being on wouldn't drastically change the landscape of people playing Online.

This might be a little off-topic but I'm not in touch with other sports games online communities and was curious if this is the norm in those games as well. Does 2K turn fouls off? Are errors disabled in The Show? I'm just curious if online is tailored differently in those games as well.

[Hooe]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

I've never encountered any player during that time which expected too not have penalties on.

Being as direct as possible - you haven't met enough people who play Madden, especially those in the modern competitive scene. Competitive players do not want gameplay events that they have zero control over to influence a game result under any circumstance.

Things competitive players have control over - for example, throwing a game-clinching INT with a low-rated QB they chose in Draft Champions - they will tolerate, because that's something they have multiple points of control over: the decision to run with a low-rated QB, the decision to call a pass, the decision to throw the ball to a particular covered receiver. User-triggered penalties are also acceptable - for example, a competitive Madden player would reasonably expect to be called for defensive pass interference if he took control of a defensive back and tackled an opponent's targeted receiver before the pass arrived.

An offensive holding penalty, however, is not something a competitive player can reasonably prevent. In Madden, the user never controls an offensive lineman, holding penalties can be triggered regardless of the play call / down / distance / situation / user strategy, and any offensive lineman can commit a holding penalty regardless of ratings. That's a purely random dice roll influencing or even deciding the outcome of a game, and in a $50,000 tournament situation leaving the determination of the winner up to pure chance is intolerable.

The players in the competitive scene are demonstrably very important to the Madden NFL community, as they are often among the most visible members of the said community (be it on Twitter, Twitch, YouTube channels, etc.). As such, forcing a gameplay circumstance on these players which they do not want - such as CPU-triggered penalties - is a nonstarter.

Before you suggest "options" - while absolutely fine (and already available?) for online unranked or play a friend, "just give us options" isn't an acceptable response for ranked play. The concept of ranked play requires forcing a shared gameplay configuration to all players to ensure all players who play a ranked match have their skills determined relative to their peers in identical conditions.

I'll sum it up with this thought - sim gamers wouldn't want competitive players dictating their gameplay experience in franchise, why should sim gamers expect the opposite?

One more thing, for as long as Madden has had online ranked matches, until apparently recently, all penalties have always been locked on, yet still millions of games have been logged, youtubed and streamed, so I don't understand why this is some online issue now or something millions of gamers are supposedly asking for.

Tiburon turned them off presumably A - in response to feedback gathered at community events from players in the competitive scene, and B - in anticipation of the Madden game growing as a viable e-sports event and ensuring the outcomes in online ranked matches are decided by user skill to the greatest and most reasonable extent possible.

And as DeuceDouglas just mentioned, penalties effectively didn't exist prior to Madden NFL 16 anyway, so they were never a significant concern to Madden players until they were reworked.

[SageInfinite]

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It's the culture Madden/EA/Tiburon created, nothing more nothing less. Making them insignificant for so long has formed these types of players and gameplay....

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

As long as I can go to instant replay and see the animation for the penalty, I am fine with all penalties; of course they should be logically linked to a player rating; thus the lower the rating that makes sense to the penalty, the less random it looks and feels..

[jpdavis82]

Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

Ok so I was vague but I primarily meant user penalties in all online modes, AI penalties in non competitive scenarios


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[mrprice33]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

I don't play The Show but I do play a lot of 2K and there is a ton of complaining about fouls in that game, primarily those that the user has no control over. So, if you're playing online and you shoot a 3, and your big randomly commits an over the back foul that you didn't initiate, that's something that causes a lot of frustration. If you keep the stick neutral and don't push any buttons and your player gets locked into a 2-man foul animation that you didn't initiate, that causes a lot of frustration.

It's completely different in online CFM, but in ranked user play/MUT/Draft Champions, only user-initiated fouls should be on. IIRC there's no challenging of calls in ranked online either, since the refs aren't programmed to call things "incorrectly."

[johnnyg713]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

Ok so I was vague but I primarily meant user penalties in all online modes, AI penalties in non competitive scenarios


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User Penalties - yes. AI penalties - No

Coming from someone who plays primarily online head to head. The emotions get too high to have an AI penalty effect an outcome of a play. When you play someone online, the mentality is "I'm smarter than you." Just like chess. Having things happen out of your control is very frustrating. Yes it happens in real life but thats not what I want from an online user vs user experience.

[Big FN Deal]

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@CMHooe, Again I emphasize "expectations" vs wants, there is a big difference in reference to this. No one wants to lose a game due to something out of their direct control and yes some, even those I have encountered actually playing competitively, might want them off in certain arenas but all of them went into every game with the full knowledge and expectation that all available penalties were on.

Directly to the general claim that it didn't matter much before because penalties didn't trigger in online ranked, I disagree. Obvious examples of this are Holding and to a lesser extent roughing the passer, two penalties that would occur frequently online that the User had nothing to do with. Also, considering not only did EA go through the trouble of adding PI penalties but also marketing that as a part of the new WR/DB interactions, having that be on by default online is a reasonable expectation.

Having stated all that, like others have noted, the generalization of the poll question is likely causing a mash up of POVs because penalties on by default in a traditional online ranked match vs a Draft Champions or MUT ranked match have completely different expectations. DC and MUT already aren't realistic by the very premise of the modes so it's reasonable that things like penalties wouldn't necessarily be either.

[Gossennator]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

I would love to see it implemented like FIFA has the push/pull action for users only. You can do it to a point but if you pull on a jersey for too long and they fall, you get a penalty usually. Ratings would also factor into this.


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[Godgers12]

Re: Would you want penalties like pass interference for online games in Madden 17?

If I'm playing in a competitive environment, I want the outcome decided on who has the superior stick skills and gameplan, not on random penalties that take away huge plays. Online franchise I can live with them, because It's suppose to be a sim experience, but not in ranked. Only penalties ranked should have is grounding, roughing, and PI, in instances where the WR is mugged. That's it.