FIFA 17 to Frostbite, Madden will follow in next year or two

[SageInfinite]

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What is the fox engine?


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It's the engine that was used for Metal Gear, which is now in Pro Evolution Soccer. Took the graphics, animations and interactions to another level....

[Gridiron]

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This could do without the blatant non-constructive disparaging comments. Skepticism is valid, but at this point ... you are VERY close to agenda posting - which is bannable per the TOS


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Ian was right, I loved everything he did and said because it was always 110% accurate. The current engine is a modern marvel of technology, so marveling that even Tiburon themselves don't see a need to change to a new engine. It's not 2 generations out of date.

ANT is incredible animation middleware that was so ahead of its time when it was built at the end of Gen 5 that it'll be ahead of its time in Gen 10. The animators have done an incredible job giving us the best animations in the industry that have set the standard for award-winning realism in gaming that all sports games are measured by, and they should absolutely develop the new animations.

Every area of this game runs well, from AI, to animations, to commentary, to online play, this game runs with top-level efficiency and accuracy. Madden's current development is a monster of technological greatness. Anyone who says otherwise on any of those points is a terrible human being who deserves to be threatened and banished because an opposite strong opinion that centers on specific parts of the development is totally out of line.

My bad for not seeing it that way before. I totally apologize.

[SageInfinite]

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I don't believe ANT is the problem, as it is still used in the frostbite engine. I believe it's more how animations are captured and implemented into Madden.

[Gridiron]

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I don't believe ANT is the problem, as it is still used in the frostbite engine. I believe it's more how animations are captured and implemented into Madden.

I'm going by what Ian used to say about it which wasn't 100% positive. But the way I see it, different teams are going to be able to use things in ways that others can't for a variety reasons. Who knows, maybe ANT itself simply doesn't work as well with Madden's setup as it does with Frostbite but with them going to Frostbite that could change? Too many variables to know for sure really.

[Impetuous65]

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I don't believe ANT is the problem, as it is still used in the frostbite engine. I believe it's more how animations are captured and implemented into Madden.

I guess that's a problem?

[StayPlation82]

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synergy! i think i'll bring more synergy across the titles. i'd love to Mass effect style cut scenes with battlefield environments, add in the gameplay advancements being made and you've got something!

[SageInfinite]

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I guess that's a problem?

I'm just saying it's not always the tech, it's how it's used. I know ANT has been used in other sports games with good animations....

[DNMHIII]

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I'm going to say Madden 20.

It will most likely come at the same time the PS3/360 is dropped from the title IMO. I've always felt that in order for Madden to take bigger steps forward the old platform needs to be dropped and when that happens it allows resources to become more focused.

[Blackhawksfan4ever]

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That was interesting news. For me big questions are:

- How easy is import material to Frostbite, which are edited for Ignite? Motion captures, textures etc.

- Which is biggest reason to change game-engine? For me Ignite was very good engine almost every sport games.

Frostbite engine is good and I think we could get better graphics than Battlefield games, because in sport games there isn't any destruction etc.

Here is good example of sport game in Frostbite 3 (Patrick McIlroy PGA Tour). That is same version of Frostbite, which used in Battlefield 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BveC1HuQL14

Here is EA Sports video about Frostbite:

https://youtu.be/mQS5XfLgrUw

I can't wait, that when I see FIFA 17 BTW PGA Tour games has been developed by same team, which make Madden games. I think they experience can help with engine changing.

[avwhitechic]

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Surprised that no one has commented on the speculation that given the short term development cycles utilized by sports titles, some game features could be missing for a year or so as the transition takes place. I don't know about you, but I think this would be a catastrophic mistake for the Madden franchise. We are already faced with a game that lacks features that were present over a decade ago. I would rather sacrifice a year or even two on the Frostbite engine such that when the time comes, we get a whole and complete Madden complete with a full litany of features.

I don't think Madden can survive another generation of starting without core features again


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[avwhitechic]

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No one has guessed my #2 favorite thing yet. Going to be pretty cool when the info drops


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A user-defined camera?


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[SolidSquid]

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That was interesting news. For me big questions are:

- How easy is import material to Frostbite, which are edited for Ignite? Motion captures, textures etc.

- Which is biggest reason to change game-engine? For me Ignite was very good engine almost every sport games.

Frostbite engine is good and I think we could get better graphics than Battlefield games, because in sport games there isn't any destruction etc.

Here is good example of sport game in Frostbite 3 (Patrick McIlroy PGA Tour). That is same version of Frostbite, which used in Battlefield 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BveC1HuQL14

Here is EA Sports video about Frostbite:

https://youtu.be/mQS5XfLgrUw

I can't wait, that when I see FIFA 17 BTW PGA Tour games has been developed by same team, which make Madden games. I think they experience can help with engine changing.

Judging by that I've tempered my expectations. It won't really change the way the game looks or plays they will be able to do more atmosphere wise so better stadiums, lighting, crowds, grass, and turf. Improved ball physics and maybe even real players on the sideline. But I just don't think it's capable of really changing how the game plays and looks.

[DeuceDouglas]

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Judging by that I've tempered my expectations. It won't really change the way the game looks or plays they will be able to do more atmosphere wise so better stadiums, lighting, crowds, grass, and turf. Improved ball physics and maybe even real players on the sideline. But I just don't think it's capable of really changing how the game plays and looks.

I think it's hard to say at this point. Just judging off those videos I think the engine could do some great things for presentation as far as stadiums and aerial shots type things. I think FIFA will give us a somewhat good idea but even then it's soccer and not football so there's a lot more that could change for better or worse when it comes to Madden. I wouldn't expect a wholesale change on every level but it's hard to say what this really means at this point in terms of how big of an upgrade we are talking.

[bucky60]

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Man, you have to be the most negative poster in the Madden forums I've ever seen. This is exciting news. You and others have been clamoring for a new engine for years and it looks like we are getting it and you have to come in here an put everyone's excitement down.

And I already know what you are gonna say. They haven't shown you anything to be excited about. Well I believe this newish team has shown us plenty to be excited about. So I think I speak for a lot of people in here when I say this is exciting and we have confidence in this team to get it done right.

But you are entitled to your opinion so I'm not gonna tell you what you can or can't think about this. I just choose to see this as a huge positive for the series.

I see this as a potential positive, if they DON'T remove a bunch of features to implement Frostbite. I don't know exactly what the Frostbite engine does, or if it effects how Madden will represent attributes/ratings, but my uneducated guess is Frostbite would effect graphics and the real time embedded stuff (game play). I'm wondering if things outside of Game Play would need to drastically change with a new "Engine" (like Franchise/Career Modes).

[whitey7886]

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This is great news! If you have watched or played Battlefield 4 then you know how amazing it could be for Madden going forward. In BF4 the engine allows them to have physics on bullets, they have amzing destruction as well as whole buildings being destroyed. Add in the day and night changes along with weather I think this will be a big step forward for Madden, not only in gameplay but in the looks of the game.