Raiders Infield Dirt

[hawley088]

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I don't quite agree with you.

I do think the Spectrum issue should be an easy one to fix but we can't put the dirt in the same context and actually comparing it to the Show just proves that it isn't as easy as it may seem to us.

It took YEARS for the Show to finally re-introduce both versions of retractible roof stadiums and this is exactly the same thing.

They pretty much have to decide if the resources to create a second art rendering of the stadium which would be used at most for four games a season is worth.

Don't take it as me disagreeing with the want for it but I'm just trying to point out that it's not quite as simple as programming infield dirt into the stadium art for the first four weeks of the season.

But how hard is it to copy and paste the raiders stadium and layer a baseball field on top?! I could do it 20 minutes!! (sarcasm)

[kehlis]

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But how hard is it to copy and paste the raiders stadium and layer a baseball field on top?! I could do it 20 minutes!! (sarcasm)

I'm not a programmer so I can't answer that, not sure that the only matter though is ease of doing it but also memory.

Again though, I'm not an expert, I'm basing this off of things we've heard from all sports games since this gen. Not pretending to be an expert.

[Hooe]

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It's not as simple as just changing a texture.

The most obvious problem: making areas of the field not have grass isn't supported by the 3D grass tech that Tiburon uses in close-up shots. By just doing a texture swap, you're going to see brown grass where green field used to be in the texture (or even worse, green and white grass where the field used to be on top of bright brown dirt). Telling the game what portions of the field should not use 3D grass is new code, so this is a brand-new feature.

On top of that, I'm sure this community would want the details associated with dirt in the game if they actually put visual dirt down in the stadium: dirt effects on footsteps and tackles, dirt marks on uniforms when a player falls on dirt, maybe even make players more likely to slip on dirt (as opposed to grass)...

This isn't something you're going to get into the game in twenty minutes. Not by a long shot.

[mestevo]

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Probably only playing in that stadium a couple more years anyways, can see that being a reason not to give this much priority at this point.

Agree it should have been there already, in previous Maddens was it there all year or did it switch to a regular field halfway through the season?

[kehlis]

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Probably only playing in that stadium a couple more years anyways, can see that being a reason not to give this much priority at this point.

Agree it should have been there already, in previous Maddens was it there all year or did it switch to a regular field halfway through the season?

It would switch out IIRC.

[bad_philanthropy]

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When it was in the PS2 days (Dolphins, Chargers, Raiders) it was only available in franchise mode and would indeed get swapped out the first week of October (I guess the Marlins, Padres, and Raiders were forever out of the baseball playoffs).

Also used to love how guys coming back from injury would have tape or a brace (depending on where they were injured)for a couple games.

In case anyone is curious what the infield looked like, here's a video.
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[TheGentlemanGhost]

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When it was in the PS2 days (Dolphins, Chargers, Raiders) it was only available in franchise mode and would indeed get swapped out the first week of October (I guess the Marlins, Padres, and Raiders were forever out of the baseball playoffs).

Also used to love how guys coming back from injury would have tape or a brace (depending on where they were injured)for a couple games.

In case anyone is curious what the infield looked like, here's a video.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/FtbNLGbaNIU?list=PL8HcVe7F-C1bRQ-MT-vIr2uSn0Zf3siAN" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I was just about to bring this up. I couldn't remember if it was Madden or not since I played multiple NFL franchises back then. But it was nice and even removed the diamond after baseball season in franchise like you mentioned. The weird things they decide to remove...

[mrprice33]

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It's not as simple as just changing a texture.

The most obvious problem: making areas of the field not have grass isn't supported by the 3D grass tech that Tiburon uses in close-up shots. By just doing a texture swap, you're going to see brown grass where green field used to be in the texture (or even worse, green and white grass where the field used to be on top of bright brown dirt). Telling the game what portions of the field should not use 3D grass is new code, so this is a brand-new feature.

On top of that, I'm sure this community would want the details associated with dirt in the game if they actually put visual dirt down in the stadium: dirt effects on footsteps and tackles, dirt marks on uniforms when a player falls on dirt, maybe even make players more likely to slip on dirt (as opposed to grass)...

This isn't something you're going to get into the game in twenty minutes. Not by a long shot.

It's funny to me how past Madden games are lionized when they all had problems too. I remember numerous "the players aren't gliding with the field/it looks painted on" complaints. Yet, here we are.

[mrprice33]

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I was just about to bring this up. I couldn't remember if it was Madden or not since I played multiple NFL franchises back then. But it was nice and even removed the diamond after baseball season in franchise like you mentioned. The weird things they decide to remove...

It's completely new field tech. It's not "removed." I'm sure it would still be that way if they still used PS2-era fields.

[WISports]

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If it's in the game, it's....(fart noise).

Seriously tho, I remember an N64 football game having the infield in the game.

[PVarck31]

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Before we anoint MLB The Show as the king of detail, let me just say that Progressive Field has a dearth of mistakes and wrong, or missing details.

I'm sure its this way with other stadiums as well.

And a question? Were dirt infields ever in the 360 or PS3 versions of Madden? I don't believe they were. This is due to a new engine and new field tech. So technically they didn't remove them.

But don't get me wrong. It would be a cool detail to have in the game.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

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It's completely new field tech. It's not "removed." I'm sure it would still be that way if they still used PS2-era fields.

Removed or new tech doesn't really change anything, especially since it's been an excuse for multiple things missing. I still remember the Ian Cumming era...

"Can't fix pro bowl helmets...the game will break!"
"Can't add physics to tackling...the game will break!"
"Can't change the ball size...the game will break!"

I don't miss that time with Madden.

But I don't see how adding and removing dirt from the field is too hard of a detail to modify. It's just forgotten and overlooked.

[Hooe]

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Removed or new tech doesn't really change anything

You could not possibly be more wrong.

[bucky60]

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You could not possibly be more wrong.

If the "New Tech" EA/Tib is using for Madden is lacking to the point it won't allow a dirt infield, then the tech is inadequate. If the dirt infield previously existed and the new tech makes it impossible to have, then the new tech would be why it was removed.

For me, I guess the question would be, did the dirt infield exist before this "New Tech".



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[kehlis]

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I'll side with dude on this one, it's not necessarily about which details are included each year, it's more about the fact that things we have seen in the past are all of a sudden being dropped for one reason or another.



You can argue that it's getting nit picky, but when the developer has monopolized this particular sports video game genre, shouldn't the consumer be allowed to demand a little more? Especially when there is no competition to push them to do better?



PS - I buy the game every year because I love to play sports video games, but the frustration of seeing the same thing every year with a few differences irks me, only to hear "next year, next year, next year."

I don't think anyone has not sided with him in thinking it should be in the game.