Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

But what makes a bad qb in the NFL bad? I doubt it's his accuracy, it's more a combination of not being able to read defences, not recognizing zone/man, forcing throws into coverage, not feeling the pressure, feeling the pressure too much, can't go through progressions, etc. Even 2nd stringers in the NFL were good ones in college, they don't struggle in the pros because they make the right reads all the time but are inaccurate and their throws are off. This game doesn't simulate bad decisions by lower tier quarterbacks, but making them "inaccurate" in order to struggle is not "sim" if that's what you are looking for.

I don't think it's as much making them inaccurate simply for the sake of struggling as much as it's just part of the game that isn't represented greatly when it comes to Madden. QB's are going to throw bad passes, it's a guarantee every single week whether it's Brady, Kessler, Kaepernick or Rodgers. It's just a fact. Accuracy isn't the sole factor in what makes or breaks a QB but I think it plays a big role.

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Does Jake Locker stick that throw? I doubt it. There's but a handful of QB's that can drop dimes like that but in Madden with Alex Smith I can just chuck it all over the field without much of a worry. And conversely I can watch mediocre QB's shred me in the same way and be perfect for entire games. It's something that goes deeper than just tuning accuracy and I don't think it's something they legitimately view as a problem so I highly doubt it will be addressed in 17 or even 18 for that matter.

[jWILL253]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

So, between the last patch I DL'd for this, and the new one, I hoped the kicking issues would be fixed.

They aren't.

Did they just take the month off?

[CleveCluby]

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Tdawg3782... That was a great post. True or not true, it is a great theory and really something to think about. It does make sense. But if this logic is true, Then it would seem to be the only way to play Madden would be all pro. If it is true that all Madden boost the CPU team hidden ratings, and Rookie dumb's down the CPU team. Then something has to change. So what changes, Ratings.? If that's the case, then ratings in ALL MADDEN would actually be a false reading for the human team and ratings would be a false reading in rookie mode. It would seem the only times player ratings would actually be as read would be in all pro.

Roady, you may be correct, I don't remember that, but through my own test, I can tell you for certain that some ratings and styles positively make a difference. Then again, we all have our own theories and findings. I am only trying to make the game play better for my style of play, My findings might not be what others are looking for. I am trying to tune up my own car so to speak and if it helps others. That's great. I think the only people that can actually tell us what sliders, player ratings, and other functions of the game do is the game designers themselves.. And like the BUSH'S beans dog.. They ain't talking

[mtmetcalfe]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

I disagree with this to a point. If any of you guys have followed kaliib or kingv2k over the years know these guys dig deep into this game. Kaliib actually looks at code and King just has great insights on what is happening and what causes these things to happen.

Anyway, kaliib said Awr is kind of a tier system where if it's high enough the player will play at the level his attributes actually state. If it's lower they will not play to their potential. I've found this to be pretty accurate even when human controlling players.

King has stated he thinks QB Awr plays into how the opposing defense plays. So a high Awr QB effectively dumbs down the defense and a low Awr QB ups the defensive intensity.

Just food for thought.

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It would be really cool if this is true but I swore I just read a tweet from one of the developers saying to the contrary.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

It would be really cool if this is true but I swore I just read a tweet from one of the developers saying to the contrary.

This was from Clint last week:

<block quote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/adembroski">@adembroski</a> AWR has no impact for user-controlled players. You are assuming the awareness for that player.</p>&mdash; Clint Oldenburg (@ClintOldenburg) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClintOldenburg/status/801170337740259328">November 22, 2016</a></blockquote></script>

[underdog13]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

This was from Clint last week:



And then an exchange from about a month ago:

Those tweets are talking about different things

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[jfsolo]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

Yeah, Ehh, I don't know what to tell you.

Prior to this patch on AP, I was having both QB's (CPU and me) having completion percentages in the 60's with off target and out of bounds passes.

I haven't been able to play post patch, and I am hoping the patch didn't make other areas of the game out of whack.

This has been my exact experience, but I know that it hasn't been the same for others.

[booker21]

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To be fair I played against then 49ers and kaep was kaep. Missing easily 6 or 7 overthrows. Personally i don't see an issue with CPU QB acc. Games has been really variable. Some 50 to 85%.

The problem is the user. They get some kind of bonus or something. When I play with kaep I never miss. Even if I tried to hit the ground on purpose I can't.

It's easier to complete a pass than to throw a overthrow.

Do the test and try to miss WR on purpose. You will see how hard it is. (I mean to overthrow it)

And to make thing worst. QB alider it's not working at all since the 1.6 version, but this is known issue by now.


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[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

Those tweets are talking about different things

Yeah, my bad I misread and was focused on what Clint was saying about the user and his player. I'll delete the second one.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

So, between the last patch I DL'd for this, and the new one, I hoped the kicking issues would be fixed.

They aren't.

Did they just take the month off?

Punting issue- fixed, but was left off the patch.

FG issue- As of a few weeks ago, they are investigating it.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

This has been my exact experience, but I know that it hasn't been the same for others.

I'm probably one of the only people who actually thought the game got better after the last patch. I had stopped playing and came back after the last TU and was having a lot more fun than I was prior to the update. But I didn't really see the QB Acc slider issues that a lot saw after it and it's been more or less the same for me since release. I also found it easier to run post-patch but I think that was an atypical experience as well. The FG and punt stuff was annoying but I'd still be playing now if I could get into CFM. The only thing from my experience that felt significantly worse was the fumbles. They weren't an issue for me at all prior and they were rampant post-patch for me.

[walls17]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

I disagree with this to a point. If any of you guys have followed kaliib or kingv2k over the years know these guys dig deep into this game. Kaliib actually looks at code and King just has great insights on what is happening and what causes these things to happen.

Anyway, kaliib said Awr is kind of a tier system where if it's high enough the player will play at the level his attributes actually state. If it's lower they will not play to their potential. I've found this to be pretty accurate even when human controlling players.

King has stated he thinks QB Awr plays into how the opposing defense plays. So a high Awr QB effectively dumbs down the defense and a low Awr QB ups the defensive intensity.

Just food for thought.

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Im not saying any of this is wrong, but if it is true, then why call the damn stat "AWARENESS"

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #7 Available Now, Here Are The Details

It could be about the marketing and hype.

They used to hype the heck out of ratings when they were announced.

[timhere1970]

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It's hard for me to get in more than one or two games a week, but I'm going to try to play tonight and move the cpu QB awareness to maybe 10 and see if he plays differently. Interesting point though, maybe changing accuracy, etc. of the player may have more of an effect if it's drastic.

I have played with cpu qb awareness at one, you can't make it zero, and it had no noticeable affect.

[Retropyro]

Wish for digital they gave the option to remove title updates and tuners. No reason they can't.