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  • adembroski
    49ers
    • Jul 2002
    • 5829

    #46
    Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

    Here's why I hate this...

    #1. When we had custom DB matchups before, there was this dude in the NFL by the name of Marshall Faulk, you might have heard of him. I'd corner him up. Usually my #3 depending on what my CB depth looked like.

    #2. I never matched up best-on-best. I put my best corner on their #2 WR, and double teamed their #1. Can't do that in this system.
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    • Hooe
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2002
      • 21554

      #47
      Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

      Originally posted by adembroski
      Here's why I hate this...

      #1. When we had custom DB matchups before, there was this dude in the NFL by the name of Marshall Faulk, you might have heard of him. I'd corner him up. Usually my #3 depending on what my CB depth looked like.

      #2. I never matched up best-on-best. I put my best corner on their #2 WR, and double teamed their #1. Can't do that in this system.
      With respect to #2 - does true bracket man coverage exist in the game right now? I don't think it does, not without some extensive hot-routing at the line of scrimmage, and even then I don't think it actually behaves like bracket coverage.

      On #1 - I get the impression that the things they wanted to achieve with this implementation of DB matchups is that A) it didn't break the flow of an online game with a pause menu, B) it was easy to understand, C) it functioned predictably and consistently, and D) it wouldn't break. If I recall correctly, the previous system where you could assign individual defenders to individual offensive skill position players was incredibly easy to break.

      I think going forward more extensive options like we had before might be better served in a more robust out-of-game game planning feature as opposed to in-game adjustments, especially as online play grows ever more prevalent.

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      • ggsimmonds
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jan 2009
        • 11235

        #48
        Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

        Originally posted by CM Hooe
        With respect to #2 - does true bracket man coverage exist in the game right now? I don't think it does, not without some extensive hot-routing at the line of scrimmage, and even then I don't think it actually behaves like bracket coverage.

        On #1 - I get the impression that the things they wanted to achieve with this implementation of DB matchups is that A) it didn't break the flow of an online game with a pause menu, B) it was easy to understand, C) it functioned predictably and consistently, and D) it wouldn't break. If I recall correctly, the previous system where you could assign individual defenders to individual offensive skill position players was incredibly easy to break.

        I think going forward more extensive options like we had before might be better served in a more robust out-of-game game planning feature as opposed to in-game adjustments, especially as online play grows ever more prevalent.
        It was very easy to break. If I recall correctly, it was fine if you simply matched top corner vs top WR, but oh damn if you ever tried to assign someone to the TE it was disastrous. I always imagined the Benny Hill music whenever my LB was at safety or corner.

        And yeah, bracket coverage is not in the game. I've always been a bit surprised that the community doesn't bring this up more. The game simply does not come close to replicating double coverage.

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        • ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
          MVP
          • Dec 2009
          • 4682

          #49
          Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

          Originally posted by adembroski
          Here's why I hate this...

          #1. When we had custom DB matchups before, there was this dude in the NFL by the name of Marshall Faulk, you might have heard of him. I'd corner him up. Usually my #3 depending on what my CB depth looked like.

          #2. I never matched up best-on-best. I put my best corner on their #2 WR, and double teamed their #1. Can't do that in this system.
          #2 is what the 49ers did to the Cowboys for much of the 1994-95 NFC Championship.
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          • ggsimmonds
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jan 2009
            • 11235

            #50
            Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

            Originally posted by ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
            #2 is what the 49ers did to the Cowboys for much of the 1994-95 NFC Championship.
            I'm surprised that isn't a more common tactic. It is not terribly rare, but I think it should be done more.

            Maybe offenses and QBs nowadays are too good at spreading the ball around so teams are hesitant to devote two defenders to one player, so they take their chances 1v1 with best on best

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            • OhMrHanky
              MVP
              • Aug 2012
              • 1898

              #51
              Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

              Originally posted by ggsimmonds
              I'm surprised that isn't a more common tactic. It is not terribly rare, but I think it should be done more.



              Maybe offenses and QBs nowadays are too good at spreading the ball around so teams are hesitant to devote two defenders to one player, so they take their chances 1v1 with best on best


              I think zone is just so prevalent right now in the NFL. Especially cover-3. So, I get the feeling they'd rather have a RCB and LCB that always knows how to play each side of the field. This is just a guess. I also don't think u see as much best v best these days, either. Lol. I'm glad they added it. I remember when Deion used to do that all the time and that made sense back then. I think this is used less, as well, due to more zone D these days.


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              • reyes the roof
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2009
                • 11526

                #52
                Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

                Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                It was very easy to break. If I recall correctly, it was fine if you simply matched top corner vs top WR, but oh damn if you ever tried to assign someone to the TE it was disastrous. I always imagined the Benny Hill music whenever my LB was at safety or corner.

                And yeah, bracket coverage is not in the game. I've always been a bit surprised that the community doesn't bring this up more. The game simply does not come close to replicating double coverage.
                I always found that if you were going to assign one person, you needed to assign somebody to each eligible receiver to stop things from getting messed up. I remember assigning just my #1 CB to the #1 WR with the Bears and then it ended up putting Brian Urlacher on the #2 WR

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                • fballturkey
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 2370

                  #53
                  Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

                  Originally posted by CM Hooe
                  On #1 - I get the impression that the things they wanted to achieve with this implementation of DB matchups is that A) it didn't break the flow of an online game with a pause menu,
                  I agree that this as a major part of why they made it how they did which is why I don't consider it to be a CFM feature.
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                  • adembroski
                    49ers
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5829

                    #54
                    Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

                    Originally posted by CM Hooe
                    With respect to #2 - does true bracket man coverage exist in the game right now? I don't think it does, not without some extensive hot-routing at the line of scrimmage, and even then I don't think it actually behaves like bracket coverage.
                    Strictly speaking no, but over-under bracket coverage is essentially trail + drop coverage, so a press man corner with safety help in drop zone is effectively bracket coverage. No way to inside-outside intentionally, but that's mostly because leverage doesn't work correctly.
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                    • ggsimmonds
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 11235

                      #55
                      Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

                      Originally posted by reyes the roof
                      I always found that if you were going to assign one person, you needed to assign somebody to each eligible receiver to stop things from getting messed up. I remember assigning just my #1 CB to the #1 WR with the Bears and then it ended up putting Brian Urlacher on the #2 WR
                      Oh there were multiple ways to break it lol.
                      Think what you are talking about happened when the offense was in a twins set or something like that.

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                      • SteelD34KC
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2016
                        • 762

                        #56
                        Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

                        So my biggest question is can I assign someone to there TE?

                        For Example: Last fantasy draft I did I got Su'a Cravens, MLB. I moved him to LOLB in my 4-3 defense. His MCV is a mid to high 70s. I want him on your TE every play. Not my ROLB who has a MCV of 58. Or my MLB who has a MCV of 42.

                        I want Cravens in the game, covering your TE everytime that TE is on the field.

                        Can that be done?

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                        • roadman
                          *ll St*r
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 26339

                          #57
                          Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

                          Originally posted by SteelD34KC
                          So my biggest question is can I assign someone to there TE?

                          For Example: Last fantasy draft I did I got Su'a Cravens, MLB. I moved him to LOLB in my 4-3 defense. His MCV is a mid to high 70s. I want him on your TE every play. Not my ROLB who has a MCV of 58. Or my MLB who has a MCV of 42.

                          I want Cravens in the game, covering your TE everytime that TE is on the field.

                          Can that be done?
                          Yes, Rex confirmed in the interview with simftballcritic interview in the EA interview thread towards the end of the interview a person can match up with a TE

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                          • SteelD34KC
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2016
                            • 762

                            #58
                            Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

                            Originally posted by roadman
                            Yes, Rex confirmed in the interview with simftballcritic interview in the EA interview thread towards the end of the interview a person can match up with a TE
                            Im wondering is it part of this feature though?

                            I mean I know we really dont know much of anything. But I would really like to be able to do this, through this feature.

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                            • jfsolo
                              Live Action, please?
                              • May 2003
                              • 12965

                              #59
                              Re: You'll Be Able to Match-Up by Overall Rating in Pass Coverage in Madden NFL 18

                              Originally posted by roadman
                              Yes, Rex confirmed in the interview with simftballcritic interview in the EA interview thread towards the end of the interview a person can match up with a TE
                              I hear him say that you can press TEs, but I didn't hear the part about matching up with them with specific players in coverage.
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