Run/Pass commit under threat

[raypace1]

Re: Run/Pass commit under threat

I like the feature, I look at it as a way of telling the bad AI that we’re defending pass or run so that they don’t do the wrong thing. If a team is expecting pass regardless of the situation and the linebacker says watch for the pass first, why the hell would the LB’s bite on a play fake...that’s just stupid. Just the same for a run defense, I know they aren’t throwing, I want my guys playing downhill and not waiting or taking a step backwards before hitting their gaps.

I’m kind of confused as to how people think this isn’t what happens in real life, we sure did it when I played, even in high school, you don’t have to be a genius for someone to tell you hey they’re going to pass don’t bite on the play fake, but with maddens AI that’s exactly what you have to do and this is the only way I know of.

Also with guys just throwing bombs and aggressive catching this was needed to get the DB’s to play over the top.


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Just based on Clint saying it's not real and its just a video game mechanic and never seen it in any game I've watched...


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[mlb61]

Re: Run/Pass commit under threat

I’m kind of confused as to how people think this isn’t what happens in real life, we sure did it when I played, even in high school, you don’t have to be a genius for someone to tell you hey they’re going to pass don’t bite on the play fake, but with maddens AI that’s exactly what you have to do and this is the only way I know of.
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All the coaches I played for called plays, and players reacted according to their "keys": none of my coaches ever yelled out "Pass, "Pass," from the sideline and waved us frantically back away from the line of scrimmage; or "Run Right, Run Right," and waved us forward toward the right side of the line of scrimmage." No, they called plays, plays designed specifically for situation we were facing.

[Ueauvan]

Re: Run/Pass commit under threat

and in all maddens ive played my stud mlber has bitten sometimes on PA on 3rd and v long. the chance decreases with pass commit. if only there was a button for the safeties to keep receivers in front of them...

[mlb61]

Re: Run/Pass commit under threat

and in all maddens ive played my stud mlber has bitten sometimes on PA on 3rd and v long. the chance decreases with pass commit. if only there was a button for the safeties to keep receivers in front of them...

And because it happens to you, you assume it happens to everyone? Seldom happens to me. Has to be a very high-rated QB, with an especially high PA attribute.

You rely on your MLB to thwart first-down passes on 3rd and very long?

[ggsimmonds]

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And because it happens to you, you assume it happens to everyone? Seldom happens to me. Has to be a very high-rated QB, with an especially high PA attribute.

You rely on your MLB to thwart first-down passes on 3rd and very long?

Well yes, why would this surprise you?

[mlb61]

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Well yes, why would this surprise you?

In man, the MLB usually is assigned the HB; in in zone, a middle hook zone. While a completion to the running back or to anyone in midfield but not deep can result in a 3rd-and-very-long 1st down conversion, I'd say it more often doesn't, especially when playing Cover 2 and protecting the sticks. I play mostly Cover 2 Man in 3rd and very long, and even if the MLB is late covering the RB, it's usually takes a really shifty, fast back to get the first down.

To me, 3rd and very long is more than 10 yards, closer at minimum to 15 yards, usually the result of a sack on 1st or 2nd down. The guys I rely on in this situation are the DEs, the CBs, and the safeties.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Run/Pass commit under threat

In man, the MLB usually is assigned the HB; in in zone, a middle hook zone. While a completion to the running back or to anyone in midfield but not deep can result in a 3rd-and-very-long 1st down conversion, I'd say it more often doesn't, especially when playing Cover 2 and protecting the sticks. I play mostly Cover 2 Man in 3rd and very long, and even if the MLB is late covering the RB, it's usually takes a really shifty, fast back to get the first down.

To me, 3rd and very long is more than 10 yards, closer at minimum to 15 yards, usually the result of a sack on 1st or 2nd down. The guys I rely on in this situation are the DEs, the CBs, and the safeties.

3rd and very long is typically considered more than 12 yards.

Deep crossing routes over the middle.

If a linebacker is playing the underneath middle with depth that makes it a more difficult throw. If he bites on PA or otherwise comes up that throw just became a lot easier.

[timhere1970]

Re: Run/Pass commit under threat

In man, the MLB usually is assigned the HB; in in zone, a middle hook zone. While a completion to the running back or to anyone in midfield but not deep can result in a 3rd-and-very-long 1st down conversion, I'd say it more often doesn't, especially when playing Cover 2 and protecting the sticks. I play mostly Cover 2 Man in 3rd and very long, and even if the MLB is late covering the RB, it's usually takes a really shifty, fast back to get the first down.

To me, 3rd and very long is more than 10 yards, closer at minimum to 15 yards, usually the result of a sack on 1st or 2nd down. The guys I rely on in this situation are the DEs, the CBs, and the safeties.

I rely on all 11 to do their jobs. With the soft spot jn the middle in madden the mlb becomes pretty important.

[mlb61]

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I rely on all 11 to do their jobs. With the soft spot jn the middle in madden the mlb becomes pretty important.

Yes, platitude aside, good play by the MLB is important, not as critical as it was 20 years ago but still important. But on 3rd and very long, the most critical elements to stopping a first-down completion are a pass rush, good coverage by the CBs, and safeties ready to protect the sticks. I think people may tend to underestimate the critical importance of PRC, especially for the MLB. It's the attribute I upgrade first and fastest, and I don't have complaints about my MLB biting on play action on 3rd and very long.

[Ueauvan]

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my point about the mbler wasnt his place in the coverage, he would be in man, mid read/hook or spy. it was that this 99 awr 99 prc bit on pa on 3rd and 15 + sometimes and in man blitzed the hb i cant remember if that happened in zone

my mlber is always my defensive superstar

[solmon]

Re: Run/Pass commit under threat

How do you do run / pass commit? And when? Pre-snap?

[SteelerSpartan]

Re: Run/Pass commit under threat

See the Excessive Pancake Thread.....

and put me in the camp who wants this feature removed.....

because the cpu doesn't know how to use it....it winds up being a pancake fest......and it has essentially wreaked my user vs cpu experience.