My theory on whats wrong with madden

[truedat79]

It was widely considered that ncaa was the "test" version of madden. So after ncaa got nixed (it was the better game for some time at that point imo) they let go of the wrong people. The ones that made ncaa were the ones who really got the bugs out and gameplay down etc. Just a thought.

[Blzer]

Re: My theory on whats wrong with madden

I have a supporting alternate theory:

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[cusefan74]

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I have never heard anyone say NCAA was a test version of Madden. The games were nothing alike at all.

[truedat79]

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I have never heard anyone say NCAA was a test version of Madden. The games were nothing alike at all.

How old are you. They tested features on ncaa routinely a year before they came to madden. Obviously the college game and pro game are different. But the gameplay itself is virtually the same. Just tuned a little differently.

[cusefan74]

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How old are you. They tested features on ncaa routinely a year before they came to madden. Obviously the college game and pro game are different.

They tested things on NCAA or the NCAA team came up with them first? The two games themselves are totally different and not in the pro and college aspect of it, which I was not referring too. I don't believe they used NCAA as a test because many things did not make the jump to Madden. Like the no huddle offense, coaching carousel, team builder, and just overall presentation, like score updates during the game. All things people loved about it but none of them made it to Madden, not even 5 years later.

[truedat79]

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They tested things on NCAA or the NCAA team came up with them first? The two games themselves are totally different and not in the pro and college aspect of it, which I was not referring too. I don't believe they used NCAA as a test because many things did not make the jump to Madden. Like the no huddle offense, coaching carousel, team builder, and just overall presentation, like score updates during the game. All things people loved about it but none of them made it to Madden, not even 5 years later.

Gameplay is what im talking about. Dynasty mode was and still isfar and away better than franchise. No huddle is a perfect example of my point. No huddle is definitely in madden. Read option. There were others

[truedat79]

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They tested things on NCAA or the NCAA team came up with them first? The two games themselves are totally different and not in the pro and college aspect of it, which I was not referring too. I don't believe they used NCAA as a test because many things did not make the jump to Madden. Like the no huddle offense, coaching carousel, team builder, and just overall presentation, like score updates during the game. All things people loved about it but none of them made it to Madden, not even 5 years later.

But that the dynasty mode was better also goes along with my point. Maybe they would have coaching carousel in madden if they didn't get rid of all the ncaa developers.

[cusefan74]

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Gameplay is what im talking about. Dynasty mode was and still isfar and away better than franchise. No huddle is a perfect example of my point. No huddle is definitely in madden. Read option. There were others

Read option was in NCAA first because the NCAA was running it and the pro teams were not at the time. So you can't exactly say they were testing that. No huddle doesn't work like it did in NCAA 14.

[truedat79]

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Read option was in NCAA first because the NCAA was running it and the pro teams were not at the time. So you can't exactly say they were testing that. No huddle doesn't work like it did in NCAA 14.

Obviously. But it still made it into maddenthe way ncaa implemented it(read option). And no huddle does work like it did on ncaa offline

[cusefan74]

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Obviously. And no huddle does work like it did on ncaa offline

Unless they changed Madden 18 from 17 it is not the same. In NCAA 14 you could switch formations, in M17 you could only do like 2 different formations. So...not the same.

[truedat79]

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Unless they changed Madden 18 from 17 it is not the same. In NCAA 14 you could switch formations, in M17 you could only do like 2 different formations. So...not the same.

so you are agreeing with me by arguing. Yes you can't use the whole playbook in madden. But u can use multiple formations. It came from ncaa. Mvp...

[cusefan74]

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so you are agreeing with me by arguing. Yes you can't use the whole playbook in madden. But u can use multiple formations. It came from ncaa. Mvp...

So no huddle isn't the same as NCAA 14, that's what I said.

[briz1046]

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I may be wrong but I thought it was mentioned at the time that many if the people responsible for the NCAA game were in fact brought over to work on the NFL game when that game was discontinued...
Obviously not every body made that move and there has been the normal staffing turnover before during and since but I'm sure a number if the present Madden team DID work on the NCAA
Madden is a flawed game but to attribute this in any way to the competency of individuals is simplistic at best
Developer X may be a genius if einsteinian proportions but if he's not given adequate resources to achieve his assignment ( time ..budget ..staff etc ) the results will largely be less than perfect
Maddens issues come from the combined affects of a number if factors
The necessity if a yearly release limits time
The shareholders need to maximize profit limits budget
The perceived need to appeal to the wider gaming community rather than focus in NFL fans limits to degree to which the game can be focused towards stragegy over pick up and play
NFL/NFLPA restrictions limit how far the players can be personalised off the field ( think suspensions/ negative personality traits) and become anymore than a list of attributes etc
I could go on almost indefinitely but to blame any individuals us just naive

[truedat79]

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So no huddle isn't the same as NCAA 14, that's what I said.

It is the same. It came from ncaa. They nerfed it for madden

[Hooe]

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I may be wrong but I thought it was mentioned at the time that many if the people responsible for the NCAA game were in fact brought over to work on the NFL game when that game was discontinued...
Obviously not every body made that move and there has been the normal staffing turnover before during and since but I'm sure a number if the present Madden team DID work on the NCAA

This is basically correct.