How would M19 implement Shaquem Griffin?

[TMJOHNS18]

Re: How would M19 implement Shaquem Griffin?

Do we display his missing hand to the world in a game that we make money from? Is it exploitation of his condition to do so, given the hype surrounding him in real life? Conversely, is it insulting to him as a player if we pretend there is no condition at all?

Yes, it's a bit of an ethical dilemma.

The game doesn't have the ability to feature handless players. JPP isn't accurately depicted, I'm not sure why they would have to make an exception for a player who hadn't even taken a snap in the NFL yet. There are numerous players with incorrect skin tones that could be easily changed by EA, yet they go uncorrected.

The real ethical dilemma, if any, is if EA did create a special model for Griffin, simply because they would more than likely loudly say ' hey, look how great we are!" and subsequently use it as a selling point for the game/MUT.

[Ueauvan]

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didnt he use a prostetic to lift weights, logic says he may use one in the nfl. did he use one at UCF?

[UtahUtes32]

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I can kind of see your points, but doesn't Madden make $$ on the likeness of all players?

[webbjay82]

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I think they'll just put a black glove on it. If they remove the hand, all you'll see are people complaining about him doing the one handed catch animation with his missing hand or carrying the ball with his missing hand, etc.

And people will complain that they're not being fair to the physically disabled if they leave the hand there.

So its a catch 22 for EA, people will complain regardless.

[Devaster]

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I don't think they can remove the hand. And it has nothing to do with ethics or morality, but all to do with their engine, models, and physics.

I think they would have to modify his stats as a workaround. With EA releasing the title every year they aren't going to overhaul models and physics for M19.

[Godgers12]

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I can't recall anyone else who single handedly improved their draft stock during the combine more than Griffen did. That said EA should make him a safety. A 94 speed LB would be too OP to user lurk with.

[YogiGarebear89]

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Gerald Green in the NBA only has half a finger on one of his hands and yet in NBA 2K he has all of his fingers. I know they are two different companies but I would venture to say that knowing EA, he will have two hands

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[kehlis]

Re: How would M19 implement Shaquem Griffin?

I can kind of see your points, but doesn't Madden make $$ on the likeness of all players?

EA makes money on the game, the players makes money with their likeness being used in the game.

[2kbeast72]

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Do we display his missing hand to the world in a game that we make money from? Is it exploitation of his condition to do so, given the hype surrounding him in real life? Conversely, is it insulting to him as a player if we pretend there is no condition at all?

Yes, it's a bit of an ethical dilemma.

How exactly is it exploiting his condition? Madden is supposed to be a realistic football game. Making it so he doesn’t have a left hand would be realistic.

[JoshC1977]

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How do you "portray" him? I have a little different perspective than I presume many people who have posted here do, as I have a physical disability myself (a muscular condition I was born with). In my 'travels' I have met many people with many different physical conditions. Just like everyone else in the world, we're all unique individuals and we thus deal with our own shortcomings differently.

Let's assume for a moment that EA CAN do a unique physical appearance for Shaquem. Some people might say "I don't want to be singled-out...I want to be known as a football player, not as the football player with the missing hand....just use your normal player model". Others might say, "Portray me as I am! I am proud of this and I want others to see what you can accomplish in the face of adversity."

I don't think either stance (or any other stance) is right or wrong and it is frankly one I personally battle every day of my life. I AM proud for what I have done with my life in spite of my disabilities but by the same token, I don't want to have people going out of their way on my account. There are times that the greatest compliment I have received is someone saying, "I sometimes forget that you have a physical disability....you're just Josh to me..."

Only one person in this world can answer this question...and that's Shaquem. I hope that IF EA is contemplating portraying him any differently than any other player in Madden, that they speak to him first.

[RandallB21]

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He has no left hand. Would they simply make his catch stat 0? What about wrapping up tackles/sacks?

Real curious to see how a team deploys him next season.

His combine numbers are absolutely insane for his size and weight.

0 catch rating? Shaq can catch better than most guys with two hands. Guy is a beast!


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[Nza]

Re: How would M19 implement Shaquem Griffin?

Gerald Green in the NBA only has half a finger on one of his hands and yet in NBA 2K he has all of his fingers. I know they are two different companies but I would venture to say that knowing EA, he will have two hands

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It's being over thought. It's just a simple question of whether not doing it would bring bad or awkward publicity, and how much of that they're willing to cop.

The key here is a missing finger isn't really considered a disability. A missing hand is. It's not so much about authenticity as it is about sensitivity.

[Ueauvan]

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why not ask him, if he agrees in principle, check with NFL, NFLPA will be ok as he gets a share from EA. Maybe EA offer donation to a disabled charity? they dont have to ask but its the ethical and right way to do it. i think the NFL will support it.
but what i think may happen is as they do with any "risks" is lower the injury rating. i dont think they nominate l wrist or r wrist is broken just a wrist except for the animation. his injury should be normal in reality there is less to injure.
ask the player see what they would like and be sensible and sensitive.

[TreJayMMA]

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didnt he use a prostetic to lift weights, logic says he may use one in the nfl. did he use one at UCF?

No he didn't use a prosthetic in college. I'm assuming he used a prosthetic arm to lift the bar because I really don't see any other way he would lift 200+ pounds 20 times with . And I'm 99% sure he isn't going to use a prosthetic arm in the nfl as well