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  • roadman
    *ll St*r
    • Aug 2003
    • 26339

    #76
    Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

    Originally posted by IcedCoffee1983
    It’s hard to get excited about them hyping fixing and spicing up franchise mode. They’ve peddled this line before.

    Unless the following is fixed franchise mode will still be broken and boring:

    -Being able to see team played for when viewing historical stats
    -Sim stats engine (like no QB rushing attempts)
    -CPU draft logic
    -Easily manipulated trades
    -Never good FA’s, teams always resign or tag anyone decent.
    -Relocation team names and uniforms = AWEFUL
    -Relocation has only 4 generic stadiums from which choose, and 2 of them are AWEFUL and ugly stadiums.
    -Repetitive game atmosphere and meaningless/boring “news” section.

    They’ve added editable draft classes (finally something awesome) and some of this hype theoretically sounds good.... but what is it worth if the garbage I listed above remains broken for YEARS?

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.. you can’t get fooled again!
    I get your attitude and frustration and I'm sure it's covered in my Hot Takes signature, but the only thing we can do is wait till next Thursday and see what comes out of the developer stream and blog.

    No use burying anything that we don't know and yeah, I get the prior history part and not buy into the hype.(also covered in hot takes. lol)

    It's not time to start playing Debbie Downer, yet.
    Last edited by roadman; 04-27-2019, 11:24 AM.

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    • Shosum13
      MVP
      • Jul 2011
      • 1177

      #77
      Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

      I can't wait to see what info is included in the franchise blog. Hopefully something is mentioned along these lines. Assuming the scenario engine, and morale system features work as intended will CPU teams take factors such as personality and morale in to account when determining trade value of a player?

      It would be cool to see an Antonio Brown type situation happen every now and then. Where a star player becomes upset and a disruption to their team and they get traded for only a 2nd or 3rd round pick because they are looked at as a cancer in the locker room.

      I know in earlier posts that people were talking about they hope some of the other flaws of franchise mode are fixed like free agency and draft logic. I hope they are too, and maybe they just haven't mentioned any of the fixes yet because they wanted to mainly hype up new features in the initial info release. But this scenario engine if done well can add a ton of fun factor and replayability to franchise mode. We finally may get a franchise that feels like it's a living breathing league where no two franchises will feel exactly the same.

      I get the cynicism and people being skeptical because of the track record of EA, I've had many similar thoughts. Let's just hope they can nail this new feature and smooth put some of the existing issues of franchise mode. Personally for myself I'm going to wait until after the game releases and I read about people's experiences with the new franchise features because if EA botches them they could be game breaking for the mode.

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      • jeremym480
        Speak it into existence
        • Oct 2008
        • 18198

        #78
        Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

        This all sounds intriguing. I play NBA MyLeague (offline) just about year round and make it through multiple seasons. I haven't purchased Madden in a few years and before that, I couldn't tell you the last time I made it through more than one season. I would love to see Madden make it to the point where it rivaled 2K for my game playing time. I'm also in the "don't tell me, show me" state when it comes to Madden however this news at least put Madden 20 on my radar.
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        • ggsimmonds
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jan 2009
          • 11235

          #79
          Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

          I’m genuinely excited about the additions. I’ve been hoping for a personality and morale system for a looong time now.

          But I still what the core components of franchise fixed. Y’all know what my number one is, the AI. Giving players unique animations is all well and good, but teams and players need to actually behave differently.

          The Ravens make the perfect example, think of how the offense completely changed when they switched to Jackson as qb. I want AI teams in franchise able to do that

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          • IcedCoffee1983
            Banned
            • Jul 2015
            • 836

            #80
            Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

            Originally posted by roadman
            I get your attitude and frustration and I'm sure it's covered in my Hot Takes signature, but the only thing we can do is wait till next Thursday and see what comes out of the developer stream and blog.

            No use burying anything that we don't know and yeah, I get the prior history part and not buy into the hype.(also covered in hot takes. lol)

            It's not time to start playing Debbie Downer, yet.
            Yeah my downer attitude is based on history, as you observed. I don't deny that. I know I should probably have a more optimistic attitude when they claim they will address issues with a core game mode I love. This is exactly what I should be excited about.

            But we have all heard this hype before.

            It's just hard to get excited about hype like this, when they have literally peddled the "we are totally spicing up franchise this year guys!" rhetoric at least two times in the past. Most notably in M25 when they added the new uniforms that Looman designed (which are un-changed and still panned years later). I remember that year also added UDFA's to franchise and it screwed up the AI cut logic so bad they completely removed the "feature" the following year.

            So here we are in the year 2019 with a franchise mode they tacitly admit is still stale by saying this year they are re-dedicating to franchise mode. If their hype in the past was true why isn't franchise mode awesome right now?

            Sorry I know I'm being a downer, I know MUT is the big money-maker, I know a player like me who adores old-school franchise just doesn't rake in the money, and money is what matters. So I understand why it is the way it is.

            Anywho, I hope I'm wrong. I hope franchise mode is once again engaging and well tested.

            Being an analyst by trade in my real life job, it's hard not to look at history.

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            • BlackBetty15
              MVP
              • Sep 2010
              • 1548

              #81
              Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

              Well Roadman...I think the majority of us (I am in this category for sure) is tired of being made fun of for the following conversation:

              Me: “Bro! Have you seen what Madden is about this year?! Dude after reading and looking at these pics, this is the year!”

              Friend: “Oh yea, last year was pretty bad man. What’s so different this year?”

              Me: “They added new branching animations and new engines as well as graphics and junk. All these new improvements man! Finally Madden is gonna be awesome and I am gonna house you son!”

              Friend: “Bro...you always say that about Madden. Lol You know you always hype this garbage up”

              Me: *sad face*
              "Im all jacked up on mountain dew!"
              " Im just a big hairy american winning machine"

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              • roadman
                *ll St*r
                • Aug 2003
                • 26339

                #82
                Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                Originally posted by IcedCoffee1983
                Yeah my downer attitude is based on history, as you observed. I don't deny that. I know I should probably have a more optimistic attitude when they claim they will address issues with a core game mode I love. This is exactly what I should be excited about.

                But we have all heard this hype before.

                It's just hard to get excited about hype like this, when they have literally peddled the "we are totally spicing up franchise this year guys!" rhetoric at least two times in the past. Most notably in M25 when they added the new uniforms that Looman designed (which are un-changed and still panned years later). I remember that year also added UDFA's to franchise and it screwed up the AI cut logic so bad they completely removed the "feature" the following year.

                So here we are in the year 2019 with a franchise mode they tacitly admit is still stale by saying this year they are re-dedicating to franchise mode. If their hype in the past was true why isn't franchise mode awesome right now?

                Sorry I know I'm being a downer, I know MUT is the big money-maker, I know a player like me who adores old-school franchise just doesn't rake in the money, and money is what matters. So I understand why it is the way it is.

                Anywho, I hope I'm wrong. I hope franchise mode is once again engaging and well tested.

                Being an analyst by trade in my real life job, it's hard not to look at history.
                Nah, your good, but I just feel we shouldn't pass judgement until all the information is released. I'm the first one around here saying history is a good predictor of the future.

                I just wouldn't set your expectations way up there(aim high, shoot low) based on past history, either. Clint just tweeted yesterday(I'll put it in the tweets) that he hopes the core players don't pass judgement at this point as some of the core features were made for the core gamers.

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                • roadman
                  *ll St*r
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 26339

                  #83
                  Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                  Originally posted by BlackBetty15
                  Well Roadman...I think the majority of us (I am in this category for sure) is tired of being made fun of for the following conversation:

                  Me: “Bro! Have you seen what Madden is about this year?! Dude after reading and looking at these pics, this is the year!”

                  Friend: “Oh yea, last year was pretty bad man. What’s so different this year?”

                  Me: “They added new branching animations and new engines as well as graphics and junk. All these new improvements man! Finally Madden is gonna be awesome and I am gonna house you son!”

                  Friend: “Bro...you always say that about Madden. Lol You know you always hype this garbage up”

                  Me: *sad face*
                  I don't hype Madden, people are capable of making their own decisions. I get it, but if I don't like something, I move on.

                  Just like The Show, I love baseball and baseball video games, but I'm not shelling out major dollars for another gaming system.
                  Last edited by roadman; 04-28-2019, 10:19 AM.

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                  • BlackBetty15
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 1548

                    #84
                    Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                    I think my point is The excitement level and expectations have been drastically tapered my friend. Hype not being the word I would use, but information given by Madden team creating a false narrative of what the actual product ends up being, then in creating the next year evolution of Madden, creative developers admitting “yea...we realized last year sucked in this area and knew we couldn’t do anything...BUT THIS YEAR” lol I mean...I am not bashing at all...but I do COMPLETELY understand the ill will comments towards Madden. Had EA been anything other than a Fortune 500 company, it would have shut down or at a minimum been in the black for sales do to the poor product. Let’s take away the Madden tournaments and the prize money that goes into Madden...the sheer money in advertising they pour into Madden. In terms of football gameplay and franchise depth this is a poor product and has been for the better part of the decade. In my opinion of course. Slap another company that doesn’t have the corporate budget EA does and this would be ranked long ago.
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                    " Im just a big hairy american winning machine"

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                    • roadman
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 26339

                      #85
                      Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                      After 13 years of this, I would certainly hope people can turn on and turn off the hype/excitement at their own discretion.

                      If you are referring to my comment from Clint, Clint doesn't try to sell the game or hype it. I don't feel stating, "don't pass judgement" is a selling point.

                      As far as franchise mode, I agree, it's been bare bones, but as far as game play, nah, I will agree to disagree with you on that note. In user vs cpu, the game is playing good. I've heard the user vs user isn't so great.

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                      • BlackBetty15
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 1548

                        #86
                        Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                        Oh man, my statement has nothing to do with what you said now or in the past. I am just having a public yet personal convo with you. Lol me and you have been in this arena since long before I can remember. Lol Developers are paid on volume sales so I get it. Even if they were to create chocolate flavored poo, it’s gotta be marketed to be the greatest thing ever with “new shiny back of the box” propaganda. It’s part of it and I get it. I am just saying I get how fans of the game feel in regards to Chris Young saying all this great news in Madden ‘20.
                        "Im all jacked up on mountain dew!"
                        " Im just a big hairy american winning machine"

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                        • Shosum13
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 1177

                          #87
                          Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                          Originally posted by roadman
                          As far as franchise mode, I agree, it's been bare bones, but as far as game play, nah, I will agree to disagree with you on that note. In user vs cpu, the game is playing good. I've heard the user vs user isn't so great.
                          User vs user is aweful this year, mainly because user coverage is incredibly overpowered because of the ballhawk feature. That combined with other exploits like another one of my favorite being when a user calls a run up the middle and immediately bounces it outside. It is very hard to stop because all of your CPU run defenders over commit to the play that is called. It doesn't bother me when they find a cut back lane if the hole isn't there, but when they instantly bounce it outside when the ball is handed off it's fruatrating. Franchise wise what kills user vs user franchises is how stat based the progression is. It just helps the rich get richer and you don't get the parody that you see in the actual NFL.

                          User vs CPU played better than it has in the past, but it still can get stale after a while. I'm hoping the addition of the new schemes and them expanding the playbooks will add to the variety of plays the CPU runs further differentiating teams. One thing I wish they'd do is figure out a way to make CPU QBs take more chances in coverage and tighter windows. Right now they almost always play it safe and dump the ball off underneath if the coverage downfield is tight or throw it away. This leads to the TE being almost over utilized many games. I want to see the CPU when there is a mismatch to throw the ball in to coverage downfield more often.

                          I really hope this scenario engine is done well because it will really add to the fun factor of franchise and make it so no 2 franchises you run feel the same. It also has the potential to remedy some of the issues that have been plaguing franchise like the free agency pool being pretty much the same every time. Hopefully this will cause stars to actually be traded every once in a while or hit free agency because they are unhappy with their current team and refuse to re-sign.

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                          • roadman
                            *ll St*r
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 26339

                            #88
                            Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                            Originally posted by BlackBetty15
                            Oh man, my statement has nothing to do with what you said now or in the past. I am just having a public yet personal convo with you. Lol me and you have been in this arena since long before I can remember. Lol Developers are paid on volume sales so I get it. Even if they were to create chocolate flavored poo, it’s gotta be marketed to be the greatest thing ever with “new shiny back of the box” propaganda. It’s part of it and I get it. I am just saying I get how fans of the game feel in regards to Chris Young saying all this great news in Madden ‘20.
                            No problem, I get the skepticism because of past history, but let's let the information flow first and then people can start jumping on the bandwagon again(lol) or constructively criticize. At this point, there isn't anything to criticize 20 on, yet.

                            And I hope you meant Mike Young, instead of Chris Young. Us old fogeys are allowed to have senior moments. lol j/k And my point still stands, whether you hear it from Mike Young or Chris Young, you should be able to tune in or tune out the excitement/hype at your own discretion based on the past.

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                            • BlackBetty15
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 1548

                              #89
                              Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                              Originally posted by roadman
                              No problem, I get the skepticism because of past history, but let's let the information flow first and then people can start jumping on the bandwagon again(lol) or constructively criticize. At this point, there isn't anything to criticize 20 on, yet.

                              And I hope you meant Mike Young, instead of Chris Young. Us old fogeys are allowed to have senior moments. lol j/k And my point still stands, whether you hear it from Mike Young or Chris Young, you should be able to tune in or tune out the excitement/hype at your own discretion based on the past.
                              Yea that guy...SMH LMAO Been a long weekend full of my kids BJJ tourney in NY/NJ. I agree though. I am a sucker for optimism so I will of course buy it. The specific superstar traits reall have me intrigued. I just want the AI to game plan it’s ply calling around said Stars. Would like more coach creation options. So minor I know but as someone who plays as the coach, I get into that a bit.
                              "Im all jacked up on mountain dew!"
                              " Im just a big hairy american winning machine"

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                              • roadman
                                *ll St*r
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 26339

                                #90
                                Re: Madden NFL 20 Makes A Recommitment To Franchise Mode (Game Informer)

                                Originally posted by BlackBetty15
                                Yea that guy...SMH LMAO Been a long weekend full of my kids BJJ tourney in NY/NJ. I agree though. I am a sucker for optimism so I will of course buy it. The specific superstar traits reall have me intrigued. I just want the AI to game plan it’s ply calling around said Stars. Would like more coach creation options. So minor I know but as someone who plays as the coach, I get into that a bit.
                                I used to be a coach mode player on PC a decade ago, but Madden doesn't have a true coach mode anymore(another hit on the wishlist) And AI playcalling could be better, I agree and don't start me on penalties and the lack of some of them.

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