Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

[TheOncomingStorm]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

Note: I see the logic on this stance....

but on the contrary, I think the CPU needs to have access to this as soon as possible, IMO.

Even if it's "worked out" for the Users, there is still the glaring problem on how they [CPU] interact with it. Observing this would help them figure out tuning on CPU logic - an issue so old it could also be considered a Legacy.

The S.E. is also going to give Users more of a "Momentum Swing" in their teams progress than CPU, which "alienates" them from the rest of the league....which of course - breaks immersion.

We don't even know what's in the scenario engine. We don't know how it impacts Franchise. No one here has played the scenario engine. The version that was in the Beta was so shallow it might as well have been a Pre-Alpha Scenario Engine.

Until this game releases next Wednesday, until we actually get to see what is shipping with the game (Again, it bears repeating, we have no idea what's actually in the Scenario Engine on day 1), it's pointless to speculate about "immersion".

If the Scenario Engine is broken for human players, there goes your "immersion".

We. Don't. Know. What's. In. The. Engine. And yes, that's a knock against EA, being cagey about this since promising the world back in April.

It's impossible to conclude right now that the Scenario Engine "alienates" user teams from CPU teams. We don't know if the engine works as designed/promised in the first place.

[jfsolo]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

I think it's way off from being able to be rolled out for the CPU. Just from a coding standpoint. If a cpu team triggers a breakout scenario, you then need to program how they handle that from a sim engine standpoint. How will the cpu qb handle trying to get a WR or TE the ball during a simmed game? Now multiple that by however many cpu teams and potential scenarios. That's a lot of coding that would need to be done to make that happen. I think getting this for cpu is really far off like a couple years away. I can't imagine how much coding you would need to do to the sim engine to get that to work properly.

IMO the sim engine doesn't need to be changed at all. The CPU should just play it's normal game and if the breakout goals are met then there is a bump and if not then it isn't.

That is how I'm going to play, and the way I always play Madden, i.e. not ever Meta-gaming for the sake of any goals. If any User chooses to stat chase for upgrades then that is fine, but the CPU shouldn't be programmed with Meta-gaming in mind, because IMO the game should always be designed around playing it straight.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

We don't even know what's in the scenario engine. We don't know how it impacts Franchise. No one here has played the scenario engine. The version that was in the Beta was so shallow it might as well have been a Pre-Alpha Scenario Engine.



Until this game releases next Wednesday, until we actually get to see what is shipping with the game (Again, it bears repeating, we have no idea what's actually in the Scenario Engine on day 1), it's pointless to speculate about "immersion".



If the Scenario Engine is broken for human players, there goes your "immersion".



We. Don't. Know. What's. In. The. Engine. And yes, that's a knock against EA, being cagey about this since promising the world back in April.



It's impossible to conclude right now that the Scenario Engine "alienates" user teams from CPU teams. We don't know if the engine works as designed/promised in the first place.

What do you mean we don’t know what’s in the engine? We do, we just don’t know every scenario. They said if certain players don’t get enough touches or reach a goal in approx 3 games straight, there’s a scenario that can open up that player to demand to leave the team. That’s the kind of thing I wanted to see happen within the entire league, but now that we know cpu is not connected to it, it can only happen with our teams. That’s a huge hit to the SE for me.

That’s the kind of thing we need to see how they implement for a lot more than just our 1 team. This isn’t a test, you keep referring to it as some kind of testing period, they just didn’t get to it or was an afterthought from the way it was described to me. They aren’t doing this as some kind of trial run and that wouldn’t make sense. We’d need to see how this works for users, opposed to cpu teams and how frequent certain scenarios happen league wide and not just a team. This is more than just an issue with buffed or lowered stats.

[SolidSquid]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

My grip with the SE isnt about making the game harder or easier for the user, but about the lifelessness of cfm.

So if Mike Evans doesnt get enough touches he’ll demand a trade, even if he has more receptions than Guys like AB, Julio, Mike Thomas. Who just happen to be perfectly happy on their cpu controlled teams.

Wheres the variety, wheres the fun, wheres the drama?

[Sucram7777]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

My grip with the SE isnt about making the game harder or easier for the user, but about the lifelessness of cfm.

So if Mike Evans doesnt get enough touches he’ll demand a trade, even if he has more receptions than Guys like AB, Julio, Mike Thomas. Who just happen to be perfectly happy on their cpu controlled teams.

Wheres the variety, wheres the fun, wheres the drama?

Glad someone else sees this conclusion.

[Darth Aegis]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

My grip with the SE isnt about making the game harder or easier for the user, but about the lifelessness of cfm.

So if Mike Evans doesnt get enough touches he’ll demand a trade, even if he has more receptions than Guys like AB, Julio, Mike Thomas. Who just happen to be perfectly happy on their cpu controlled teams.

Wheres the variety, wheres the fun, wheres the drama?

I think EA obviously needs to incorporate this with the CPU teams, but needs to proceed with caution and not rush it. On the other side of the coin & I can already hear fist pounding how EA ruined their franchise because so & so did this or this happened. Tuning, ai intelligence, balance, & variety is key here.

[canes21]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

My grip with the SE isnt about making the game harder or easier for the user, but about the lifelessness of cfm.

So if Mike Evans doesnt get enough touches he’ll demand a trade, even if he has more receptions than Guys like AB, Julio, Mike Thomas. Who just happen to be perfectly happy on their cpu controlled teams.

Wheres the variety, wheres the fun, wheres the drama?

This is my biggest issue with it. I don't really care if the CPU has breakout moments or not. They could eliminate those scenarios completely from the CPU teams and I would not mind. They could even have a random player around the league get a dev increase whenever you had the scenario occur and were able to get your player the increase.

My issue with this is what you are alluding to, the scenarios of holdouts, demanding trades, etc. It will be incredibly silly to have a player on my team moan and complain about their usage and demand to be traded, then when I trade them the next team uses them even less, but their morale is like an 88. It will just take more away from the mode than it brings to it for me.

Hopefully they do find the ability to get the scenario engine working for CPU teams in 21 and are also able to give us the option to turn certain types of scenarios on or off for the user, cpu, all, etc. I'd love to be able to turn the breakout player scenarios off and have the engine only creating things that are more organic like demanding trades, demanding release, holding out, and on.

[RogerDodger]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream Starting Now - Discussing Gameplay & Franchise Bet

For all the cool / great news and information we got today, this right here is a major disappointment.

Agree and expanding this feature league wide for cpu teams should be top of their list for 21.

[ChampIsHere42]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

Can we get some gameplay? My goodness the wait is eating me alive!

[jfsolo]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

We'll see in a couple of days, but I'm not actually expecting hold outs and trade demands to be part of the Scenario engine.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

Can we get some gameplay? My goodness the wait is eating me alive!

We’ll be playing it in 5 days.


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[The Kid 24]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

Have sidelines been updated at all? Meaning people on sidelines don’t look like pixelated garbage.


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[ChampIsHere42]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

I won't be because I have PS4 and can't pre-load the game until the 24th is here unlike all the Xbox guys that already have it ready to go.

[ODogg]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

I won't be because I have PS4 and can't pre-load the game until the 24th is here unlike all the Xbox guys that already have it ready to go.

If you preorder the game it'll be preloaded for you in EA Access


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[Executor]

Re: Madden NFL 20 Developer Stream (Archived) - Gameplay & Franchise Beta Updates

I won't be because I have PS4 and can't pre-load the game until the 24th is here unlike all the Xbox guys that already have it ready to go.

Try living in a country where football is barely recognized. I will hopefully get my copy on 3rd or 4th August if I'm lucky. Talk about the virtue of patience, lol.