Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

[canes21]

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Here is my own example. Man coverage on the outside, my DB breaks away from the WR on the quick slant. This goes for a TD. This is probably a or 8 yard gain if my guy reacts like he should, but instead, he breaks more towards the sideline than he does towards the WR and it opens a huge hole in the defense.



And before anyone doubts this was man coverage because the LB was in zone coverage, here is the play art showing what I called.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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It is man coverage. Deuce says it straight in his post. It's his team, his gameplay, I'd assume he knows what the defense is on the play. I doubt he is misleading us here as well. This is not a case of a guy following the wrong player in a zone, this play is 100% man coverage. It looks like Cover 1 based off of the safety coming down into the box.

You can also tell it is man by the fact that he is staring at the WR and not watching the QB. Like I said, you could run an our route or a slant route with two players left on an island on one side of the field and you'd see this happening too frequently. There would be no possibility for miscommunication in that scenario and it would show that the DB's are breaking the wrong way right now.

I am NOT disputing MAN coverage. Or claiming any deception on behalf of the OP. I am trying to come up with possible issues.

If someone has an isolation coverage in man then lets see it so everyone here is on the same page. Let's make sure the CB and WR are equally rated too.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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Here is my own example. Man coverage on the outside, my DB breaks away from the WR on the quick slant. This goes for a TD. This is probably a or 8 yard gain if my guy reacts like he should, but instead, he breaks more towards the sideline than he does towards the WR and it opens a huge hole in the defense.



And before anyone doubts this was man coverage because the LB was in zone coverage, here is the play art showing what I called.

Oh!!! You have Man mixed with Zones. That causes issues by changing logic. The issues need to be addressed, agreed. Clint and others have stated that changing coverages messes with match logic.

This is that "Lock" coverage or something like that or you manned out of a match zone play? Cover 6 or 9?

[canes21]

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That is the default play, I didn't change anything.

[deiied]

Re: Pass Coverage is STILL so broken

Here is my own example. Man coverage on the outside, my DB breaks away from the WR on the quick slant. This goes for a TD. This is probably a or 8 yard gain if my guy reacts like he should, but instead, he breaks more towards the sideline than he does towards the WR and it opens a huge hole in the defense.



And before anyone doubts this was man coverage because the LB was in zone coverage, here is the play art showing what I called.

https://streamable.com/xomu3

Here is OBJ beating man coverage on a slant that was even tighter than the man coverage in your video.

I'm not saying that to "debunk" your video. I am simply saying that they have to represent this in the game somehow and that their jerky animations in the wrong direction may be the best solution they have found.

If they istead used the animation where the DB backpedals too far, like in the video, we would be saying the coverage is broken because the DB doesn't react fast enough.

You all have a lot more experience with madden than I do.

Maybe I am seeing it in a different light because I am naive. I see DB's get beat every sunday during the NFL season.

I think the difference is that EA doesn't have the ability to animate a win/loss properly.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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I think we all agree something is not correct with these plays. Hopefully, EA/Tib will see this thread and look into the issue. Let's hope that if a patch is required, it is able to fix the issue without major side effects.

[canes21]

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https://streamable.com/xomu3


Here is OBJ beating man coverage on a slant that was even tighter than the man coverage in your video.

I'm not saying that to "debunk" your video. I am simply saying that they have to represent this in the game somehow and that their jerky animations in the wrong direction may be the best solution they have found.

If they istead used the animation where the DB backpedals too far, like in the video, we would be saying the coverage is broken because the DB doesn't react fast enough.

You all have a lot more experience with madden than I do.

Maybe I am seeing it in a different light because I am naive. I see DB's get beat every sunday during the NFL season.

I think the difference is that EA doesn't have the ability to animate a win/loss properly.

I'd be more than fine getting beat like it was in the video because that is exactly how a slant should beat off coverage. I have a hard time believing this is how they are representing WR's winning the matchup because this is never how it has been represented before and it makes no sense for them to make it this way now.

I get that you guys are just trying to find some way to say maybe it was designed to be that way, but it just simply isn't the case. This is just an issue with coverage right now. Players in man coverage are just breaking in the wrong direction for some reason right now and hopefully EA can figure it out and fix it quick for all of us.

[stinkubus]

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Any type of vertical up the seam is like taking candy from a baby right now and it's 100% due to the nerfed LBs.

[Find_the_Door]

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I will say this. I have burned through about 18 hours of play now games, and honestly the pass coverage is the worst so far out of any madden in recent history. The D-backs play the deep ball very well but it is way and I mean way to easy to dink and dunk this year. The problem I'm seeing is that the so called "new and improved pass rush" is definitely not generating pressure as quickly as people were saying in the beta and receivers are getting open way to easy especially against zone coverage. I have yet to have a game where mine or the CPU quarterback finishes with less than 69% completion percentage. Even inaccurate quarterbacks like Josh Allen are content to throw 3-5 yard passes for easy completions.

Great game! Animations are better than ever, game feels and plays smooth, lots of improved mechanics. But the defensive coverage is a huge sore spot for me this year

It's because the pass rush was never a problem in the beta. The problem in the beta is when you sent extra guys. People got blitzing confused with a 4 man rush.

I pointed this out and no one listened

[4thQtrStre5S]

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Any type of vertical up the seam is like taking candy from a baby right now and it's 100% due to the nerfed LBs.

You mean "normalized" LBs, yes? Which play versus which defense?

[goillini03]

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Good examples and conversation all. I agree that the DB play needs to be worked on from my Access playing so far.

[deiied]

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Any type of vertical up the seam is like taking candy from a baby right now and it's 100% due to the nerfed LBs.

Serious question. I don't mean to come off as condescending or glib.

In a real NFL game if the offense lines up with 4 wide receivers and two of those will be guarded by linebackers, would you expect the linebackers to be able to cover them on fly routes?

In my opinion I would think that WRs should burn LBs. The only way to stop that would be to pressure the QB or switch defense to have more DBs.

[UtahUtes32]

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Oh!!! You have Man mixed with Zones. That causes issues by changing logic. The issues need to be addressed, agreed. Clint and others have stated that changing coverages messes with match logic.

This is that "Lock" coverage or something like that or you manned out of a match zone play? Cover 6 or 9?

This wasn't anything that he did lol. This is a play FROM THE PLAYBOOK. You don't recognize it?

[HesiPullupJimbo]

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This **** is so frustrating. Football is a game of read and react. EA can't seem to grasp this.

I'm not sure what you mean. EA reads the bottom line ($$$) and reacts by treading water.

[bkrich83]

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What if the ratings/calculations for for this defender/WR matchup determines that he doesn't know which receiver to cover? If the calculation determines that the CB has (low awareness + low play recognition x random number) couldn't that result in covering the wrong receiver?

Some of the reasons that offenses use bunch is to create personnel mismatches or to create space between defenders and receivers. There is also a chance of confusing the defense as to which receiver to cover.

There is a possibility that it is working correctly but IT LOOKS broken due to bad animations.

We can agree that It looks broken but we don't know if it looks broken because it is actually broken or that it looks broken because the animations are bad + there is no on-screen indication of why it happens.

This is where I am. Sometimes it looks really really bad. Is it bad logic or a ratings thing that looks like bad logic due to a poor representation of a defense getting beat? I honestly don’t know.


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