Madden NFL 21 The Yard Gameplay Video - Player Creation, Customization and Gameplay (AntoDaBoss)

[Executor]

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You don't want them to do that. John Madden NFL sim would go the way of NFL Head Coach.

Why?

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[Elite Virtual Hockey]

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You don't want them to do that. John Madden NFL sim would go the way of NFL Head Coach.

haha I think I agree with you. However, if their "flagship" games focused less on extreme realism (super animation-based and sort of clunky results that happen because of it) and had a more "The Yard" approach (I know it's the same engine, just hear me out lol) while offering a good slider suite to tune speeds and success rates of various things like NHL currently has, I certainly wouldn't be mad.

I think the AI/"realism" part of sports is what EA doesn't really care about. It's not marketable, so I don't really blame them. That being said, if they can make a really solid, fundamentally-sound arcade game that can be tuned for their "flagship" sports games, I'd probably end up playing the game even more than I do with these half-sim, half-"fun" games like Madden/NHL that they crank out now.

The Yard just looks straight-up fun. There's no expectations of realism, and I'd love to have season modes and franchise modes in games that don't necessarily have many expectations of realism, but can certainly be more obtainable via offline slider edits if the user pleases.

[Culture Rot]

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Shows how easily these things can be added over the years into other modes and weren't.

[SolidSquid]

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You don't want them to do that. John Madden NFL sim would go the way of NFL Head Coach.

It can’t, they have a contract with the NFL, they have to put out a “sim” NFl game every year

[JayhawkerStL]

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haha I think I agree with you. However, if their "flagship" games focused less on extreme realism (super animation-based and sort of clunky results that happen because of it) and had a more "The Yard" approach (I know it's the same engine, just hear me out lol) while offering a good slider suite to tune speeds and success rates of various things like NHL currently has, I certainly wouldn't be mad.

I think the AI/"realism" part of sports is what EA doesn't really care about. It's not marketable, so I don't really blame them. That being said, if they can make a really solid, fundamentally-sound arcade game that can be tuned for their "flagship" sports games, I'd probably end up playing the game even more than I do with these half-sim, half-"fun" games like Madden/NHL that they crank out now.

The Yard just looks straight-up fun. There's no expectations of realism, and I'd love to have season modes and franchise modes in games that don't necessarily have many expectations of realism, but can certainly be more obtainable via offline slider edits if the user pleases.

Several years ago, after realizing how frustrated I was with sports games, I decided to change my expectations. There is no AAA sports game that is actually a worthy sim. They all have serious issues, some more than others.

But during that time I remembered how much I liked all kinds of arcade sports games though the years. Instead of placing a sim expectation on any sports game, I just look for fun. I'd credit 2K8 for a lot of this thought, as i ran n online 2K8 league for several seasons. We would just do an offline draft of legends between each season.

Loved 2K8, but man that was a cheesey game. I swear so many games would hit the 4th quarter with a score like 21-17, and then end 42-41 because if you went for it, you could pass for TDs all day long in the game.

Those 4th quarters were not sim. But they were strategic and fun. We were managing the clock, looking for ways to fake each other out, and so on. It just kind of worked altogether.

Personally, I found The One in NBA live 19 to be about the best mode I've played in any sports game. It was varied with different ways to play, had an NBA side and street side, and the Court Battles I love. It's amazing how much more fun sports games became once I decided to embrace what they actually do well instead of harping on what they don't.

KO Superstar was a blast as a pick up and Play Now game. You get to draft some guys, choose a style of play, and then play an OT game with rules that makes it even more tense. Throw in that the 3-6 guys you have drafted (you get three, but draft one more after each game, until you have six for the championship) and you start to feel like it is your team.

Its fun to experiment with different strategies to build, especially based on what you know you can expect to face. I build my team to exploit weaknesses other teams allow themselves to have. But it needed a lot more to it. I hope The Yard has that.

[Elite Virtual Hockey]

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Several years ago, after realizing how frustrated I was with sports games, I decided to change my expectations. There is no AAA sports game that is actually a worthy sim. They all have serious issues, some more than others.

But during that time I remembered how much I liked all kinds of arcade sports games though the years. Instead of placing a sim expectation on any sports game, I just look for fun. I'd credit 2K8 for a lot of this thought, as i ran n online 2K8 league for several seasons. We would just do an offline draft of legends between each season.

Loved 2K8, but man that was a cheesey game. I swear so many games would hit the 4th quarter with a score like 21-17, and then end 42-41 because if you went for it, you could pass for TDs all day long in the game.

Those 4th quarters were not sim. But they were strategic and fun. We were managing the clock, looking for ways to fake each other out, and so on. It just kind of worked altogether.

Personally, I found The One in NBA live 19 to be about the best mode I've played in any sports game. It was varied with different ways to play, had an NBA side and street side, and the Court Battles I love. It's amazing how much more fun sports games became once I decided to embrace what they actually do well instead of harping on what they don't.

KO Superstar was a blast as a pick up and Play Now game. You get to draft some guys, choose a style of play, and then play an OT game with rules that makes it even more tense. Throw in that the 3-6 guys you have drafted (you get three, but draft one more after each game, until you have six for the championship) and you start to feel like it is your team.

Its fun to experiment with different strategies to build, especially based on what you know you can expect to face. I build my team to exploit weaknesses other teams allow themselves to have. But it needed a lot more to it. I hope The Yard has that.

For sure, I think that's why people get frustrated with these games. I think they need to dumb the "sim" aspects down and and more sliders to control "realistic" success rates for people to mess with to find their version of "sim" you know (2k was great at this imo)? At the core, game should be fun and accessible. "sim" players should be able to change sliders to adjust success rates. Right now, seems like Madden is in this weird state of trying to be "sim" but then dumbing animations down to try and make a "sim" game more accessible, and in reality it just ends up being frustrating to play. Also, if the AI wont be majorly invested in, there's no reason to try and make a "sim" game. Make a fun game and let users customize, that's my take on what would make these games better. It'd be more like the PS2 days.

Superstar KO was fun, but games were super slow loading and could be way too fast. I think the yard will solve some of that frustration.

[da_centa_fielda]

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I'm liking the way this looks more than the regular Madden modes. The reason being is because Madden as a simulation is just not right and probably will never be right. Every year there's something (several things) about the game that are ruin the experience for me. Playing a mode that is not trying to be serious is what I actually want from Madden at this point since they gave up on NFL Street.

I've lost all hope for the simulation side of the game.

[Elite Virtual Hockey]

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I'm liking the way this looks more than the regular Madden modes. The reason being is because Madden as a simulation is just not right and probably will never be right. Every year there's something (several things) about the game that are ruin the experience for me. Playing a mode that is not trying to be serious is what I actually want from Madden at this point since they gave up on NFL Street.

I've lost all hope for the simulation side of the game.

This is kind of the point I'm trying to make, cause I agree with you 100% haha. If they can make a fun game first (The Yard) then just use sliders to dial back success rates for their "sim" modes, I think users would enjoy those "sim" modes much more. Making a "sim" game is next to impossible, but if I have a lot of sliders and downright fun base game, I can make the game into what I consider to be a decent representation of "sim" (insert sport here) you know?

I think all EA games need to go the 2k/FIFA route of AI player instructions/custom tactics because the dynamic AI is seemingly never going to be good enough. Give us much more granular, static control over our AI, and you'll start seeing much more realistic "decisions" than what their dynamic AI can do at the moment imo.

[sammy watkins]

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Not trying to dismiss what you guys all seem to want (franchise mode improvements), but not everyone feels that way. Personally, I never play franchise mode in any game. All I do is play online vs other users.


I'm an avid NBA 2K player as well and I've really really wanted a Madden game mode where I can create a player and use that player online... and here it is. I'm actually really happy with The Yard and looking forward to how it can be improved in the future.

[sunnyhmoon]

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Most likely memory, the Yard has less players so they can use the mouthpieces. I agree though, it's BS, they need to make it work!

Didn't they say the same about helmets in pro bowl? Until it was somehow magically added?

[dvdsaba]

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Didn't they say the same about helmets in pro bowl? Until it was somehow magically added?

That's correct. Doubt it is a memory limitation. Watch it won't be in next-gen this year also. EA barely touched franchise during the last few years. It's not a priority for them and they will do the minimal required only when there is a Twitter uproar.

[SolidSquid]

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Not trying to dismiss what you guys all seem to want (franchise mode improvements), but not everyone feels that way. Personally, I never play franchise mode in any game. All I do is play online vs other users.


I'm an avid NBA 2K player as well and I've really really wanted a Madden game mode where I can create a player and use that player online... and here it is. I'm actually really happy with The Yard and looking forward to how it can be improved in the future.

So the issue is, not a single other company is allowed to make an NFL game with a multi season franchise, draft, FA, etc.

EA bought the rights to a whole game mode then has willingly made it the worst mode in the game.

Even if you never touch the mode, you should see how scummy that is

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

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How did EA manage to screw this up. The whole time I thought it was 6v6 all humans. It's 3 humans 3 bots. Learn from 2K duh! How stupid...

https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-21/news/gridiron-notes-madden-nfl-21-the-yard-deep-dive-08-13

Bet you 2K makes a better Yard and does it the right way.

[justcallmedaddy]

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How did EA manage to screw this up. The whole time I thought it was 6v6 all humans. It's 3 humans 3 bots. Learn from 2K duh! How stupid...

https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-21/news/gridiron-notes-madden-nfl-21-the-yard-deep-dive-08-13

Bet you 2K makes a better Yard and does it the right way.

It’s not really bots, you take control after you throw to one of them. Same way as franchise.

3 v 3 is really the most necessary, with a smaller field it’s just not feasible to have 6 user defenders lurking sideline to sideline. I think 2v2 has really been the perfect balance for this game mode.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

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It’s not really bots, you take control after you throw to one of them. Same way as franchise.

3 v 3 is really the most necessary, with a smaller field it’s just not feasible to have 6 user defenders lurking sideline to sideline. I think 2v2 has really been the perfect balance for this game mode.

The reason 2k's multiplayer is fun is because it's completely organic and no bots. Ik football is a different game, but woulda been nice to at least have this option. I think it'd be fun to try to line up to sack the QB or block a defensive lineman. EA is scared to push the envelope. Imagine an 11v11 game, that'd be ridiculous but fun and it can work with enough organized teams.