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  • tinpanalley
    MVP
    • Apr 2006
    • 3401

    #61
    Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

    Originally posted by bcruise
    Yeah, don't want to send this too off-topic
    I don't wanna send this too off topic either but I think it does come back to the broadcast cam arena, if you will. What I do, which is gonna sound nuts but it works for me, is that I watch footage in CPU vs CPU and, wait for it, I squint. The graphics are good enough now that it's not hard to imagine you're watching a real game. And squinting helps blur the "gaming" look to what could conceivably be a real broadcast. Particularly if the angle is realistic. And then I keep track of what's wrong: do players turn too easily, is their pivot too quick or too easy, is their acceleration reasonable, is their top speed too robotic, etc. And then I adjust until I see something that, well, 'looks' like real life. Then once that's taken care of I worry about actual player trait sliders. But I find that that's where one has to really know the sport well because you need to know what kind of range, accuracy etc athletes have.

    This also highlights really quickly and evidently when a game isn't engineered well. Because no matter what you do, it just doesn't fit. Anyway, this is just a tiny trick, use it if it helps to get this broadcast cam to look good. Because right now, when I hike the ball, the players all go 1920s 16fps footage on me.
    My two cents. Consequently this is the kind of thing I was hoping to write when I took the gig to write short pieces for OS months ago which I didn't have time for because of a job I'm now never going to be going back to. Covid, as always, the great leveller of life.

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    • ChaseB
      #BringBackFaceuary
      • Oct 2003
      • 9849

      #62
      Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

      Originally posted by tinpanalley
      I don't wanna send this too off topic either but I think it does come back to the broadcast cam arena, if you will. What I do, which is gonna sound nuts but it works for me, is that I watch footage in CPU vs CPU and, wait for it, I squint. The graphics are good enough now that it's not hard to imagine you're watching a real game. And squinting helps blur the "gaming" look to what could conceivably be a real broadcast. Particularly if the angle is realistic. And then I keep track of what's wrong: do players turn too easily, is their pivot too quick or too easy, is their acceleration reasonable, is their top speed too robotic, etc. And then I adjust until I see something that, well, 'looks' like real life. Then once that's taken care of I worry about actual player trait sliders. But I find that that's where one has to really know the sport well because you need to know what kind of range, accuracy etc athletes have.

      This also highlights really quickly and evidently when a game isn't engineered well. Because no matter what you do, it just doesn't fit. Anyway, this is just a tiny trick, use it if it helps to get this broadcast cam to look good. Because right now, when I hike the ball, the players all go 1920s 16fps footage on me.
      My two cents. Consequently this is the kind of thing I was hoping to write when I took the gig to write short pieces for OS months ago which I didn't have time for because of a job I'm now never going to be going back to. Covid, as always, the great leveller of life.
      Are you saying you get frame drops in Madden or NHL when in the broadcast cam right now?

      One thing I noticed with Madden broadcast cam is just the field feels so much wider so it feels like I can run more sorts of plays vs. QB cam.
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      • TarHeelPhenom
        All Star
        • Jul 2002
        • 7129

        #63
        Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

        It's just a beautiful thing... especially in the passing game...being able to see routes progress all over the field...throw the high pass over zone defenders. Being able to see the WR beat their man off the press. I'm glad Chase is going to give it some shine and hopefully the devs take it to heart and make it a viable option. If nothing else give us a custom cam that we can adjust similar to 2k.
        "Dunks are tough, but when a 35 footer come rainin out the sky...it'll wire you up"

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        • tinpanalley
          MVP
          • Apr 2006
          • 3401

          #64
          Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

          Originally posted by ChaseB
          Are you saying you get frame drops in Madden or NHL when in the broadcast cam right now?
          One thing I noticed with Madden broadcast cam is just the field feels so much wider so it feels like I can run more sorts of plays vs. QB cam.
          What I mean is that old 1920s sports footage was usually shot at about 12-16 fps. So played back at the industry standard 24fps, it's why footage from the early 20th Century has the sped up look. I meant it feels like that.
          The field feels more wide or open because on the 3/4 view, they've created a bit of a long lens feel where foreground and background are compressed so despite the fact that the field never changes size, it feels like you have less space to move around. That combined with the 3/4 angle distorting the perspective of how much space there actually is accounts for the wider open feel of the broadcast angle which is truer to life or to what our eyes see. This is the reason the Field Goal camera has always annoyed me. It does the obvious job of showing whether a ball is sliced or hooked but doesn't in any way successfully demonstrate distance or velocity of the ball.

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          • Ram209
            MVP
            • Feb 2003
            • 1161

            #65
            Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

            That's what I want is the custom cam!!!! It's been over 15 years since we have been able to adjust the camera!
            Originally posted by TarHeelPhenom
            It's just a beautiful thing... especially in the passing game...being able to see routes progress all over the field...throw the high pass over zone defenders. Being able to see the WR beat their man off the press. I'm glad Chase is going to give it some shine and hopefully the devs take it to heart and make it a viable option. If nothing else give us a custom cam that we can adjust similar to 2k.
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            • Ram209
              MVP
              • Feb 2003
              • 1161

              #66
              Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

              Make sure I get my shout out for discovering the wide angle lol!!! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
              Originally posted by ChaseB
              I'm putting up a news story this upcoming week on broadcast cam, just a heads up.
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              • ChaseB
                #BringBackFaceuary
                • Oct 2003
                • 9849

                #67
                Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                Originally posted by Ram209
                Make sure I get my shout out for discovering the wide angle lol!!! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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                Haha don't worry Ram you will.
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                • Ram209
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1161

                  #68
                  Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                  Lol thanks!!![emoji106][emoji23]
                  Originally posted by ChaseB
                  Haha don't worry Ram you will.
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                  • Cam Fan
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2014
                    • 553

                    #69
                    Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                    Originally posted by ChaseB
                    I'm putting up a news story this upcoming week on broadcast cam, just a heads up.
                    Yes!!!!!!! Thank you so much. Interested to see how it turns out. Will be posted on the OS homepage?

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                    • ChaseB
                      #BringBackFaceuary
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 9849

                      #70
                      Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                      Originally posted by Cam Fan
                      Yes!!!!!!! Thank you so much. Interested to see how it turns out. Will be posted on the OS homepage?
                      Yeah should be.
                      I won't ask for Christmas or birthday gifts if you subscribe to the Operation Sports Newsletter (Not Just Another Roster Update). I write it, and it hits your inbox every Friday morning (for freeeeeee). We also have an official OS Discord you can now join.

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                      • Godeep24
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 194

                        #71
                        Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                        Originally posted by TarHeelPhenom
                        As stated in this thread, my man Ram found a workaround that works great. What you do is, once you call your play, you cycle and click LS twice for player lock. Then before you snap the ball click LS twice again to unlock and the came zooms out. As it begins to slowly zoom back in, let it soon in enough for your liking while still being able to see the entire field and then snap the ball. The cam will stay zoomed out. I'm not even joking when I say it was the most fun I've had playing the game in years. It's a game changer for me and just feels/looks way more natural IMO.


                        Awesome. Gameplay much smoother too. Thx!!


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                        • CujoMatty
                          Member of Rush Nation
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 5445

                          #72
                          Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                          I don't want to be a jerk but I am pretty sure that wide angle work a round was a thing last year as well. Or did you figure that out last year Ram?
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                          • TarHeelPhenom
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 7129

                            #73
                            Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                            Originally posted by CujoMatty
                            I don't want to be a jerk but I am pretty sure that wide angle work a round was a thing last year as well. Or did you figure that out last year Ram?
                            Based on the video he showed it may have been 2019 because the game still had the walk to the LOS.
                            "Dunks are tough, but when a 35 footer come rainin out the sky...it'll wire you up"

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                            • Ram209
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 1161

                              #74
                              Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                              Originally posted by CujoMatty
                              I don't want to be a jerk but I am pretty sure that wide angle work a round was a thing last year as well. Or did you figure that out last year Ram?
                              I accidentally discovered it playing Madden 18. It was pure luck, don't ask me how I stumbled upon it. But it works for all the Madden's that have player lock


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                              • CujoMatty
                                Member of Rush Nation
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 5445

                                #75
                                Re: Playing On Broadcast Cam

                                Originally posted by Ram209
                                I accidentally discovered it playing Madden 18. It was pure luck, don't ask me how I stumbled upon it. But it works for all the Madden's that have player lock


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                                I knew I heard about it before this year I just couldn't remember who or when it was. It really is a terrific find. Good Job.
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                                2018 NLL Champion Saskatchewan Rush
                                2019 CEBL Champion Saskatchewan Rattlers

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