Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

[countryboy]

Re: Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

CB it’s damn good to see you man. How you been? I agree there are those who enjoy the game. That said outside of OS the general consensus on Madden is pretty negative. You ever look at reddit or YouTube comments?

I'm good.

But OS, Reddit, and Youtube don't account for the entire consumer base that buys Madden. And there is likely some crossover of those who post on all three sites.

I don't know the number of copies that Madden has sold and I'm not going to look it up because it really doesn't matter, but let's just use a million copies sold. I have a hard time believing that a significant number of those million copies sold were to people who are severely disappointed in the game, but buy it anyways simply because its the latest/only NFL licensed game on the market.

[jay87]

Re: Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

We really talk about different things, I think that's the only problem.
But in the middle of #fixmaddenfranchise came this message some time ago. Also the shareholders are not really satisfied.
https://www.pcgamesinsider.biz/news/...exec-pay-plan/

[scratchdidthis]

Re: Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

I'm good.

But OS, Reddit, and Youtube don't account for the entire consumer base that buys Madden. And there is likely some crossover of those who post on all three sites.

I don't know the number of copies that Madden has sold and I'm not going to look it up because it really doesn't matter, but let's just use a million copies sold. I have a hard time believing that a significant number of those million copies sold were to people who are severely disappointed in the game, but buy it anyways simply because its the latest/only NFL licensed game on the market.

It's a snapshot CB (Youtube/Reddit/OS/Niketalk/Twitter) Most all the comments are negative, yet most ALL of us purchase the game. Let's face it, that NFL Shield is a goldmine. We are stuck with this product because we are stuck with only one choice. Thus we have to make due with what we have. No not everyone is disappointed with the game, a vast majority are though.

[countryboy]

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It's a snapshot CB (Youtube/Reddit/OS/Niketalk/Twitter) Most all the comments are negative, yet most ALL of us purchase the game. Let's face it, that NFL Shield is a goldmine. We are stuck with this product because we are stuck with only one choice. Thus we have to make due with what we have. No not everyone is disappointed with the game, a vast majority are though.

How do you determine a vast majority though? Because the comments on these social media sites are all negative? How many people are we talking on these social media accounts? 75% (750,000 people out of 1,000,000 buyers?) of the entire consumer base for Madden?

And could it be that those who are enjoying the game don't comment on these sites because they don't want to deal with the negativity and unfortunately sometimes ridicule for liking Madden.

And I'll never understand the mindset that I don't like it but I have to purchase it because its the only game in town. At the end of the day, all that matters to EA brass/Shareholders is the bottom line. To me, paying for a product you don't like and will get very little enjoyment out of is like me paying my employer to go to work.

Sales = success/quality product. The market is telling them that Madden is a good product that sells and thus earns revenue for the business.

Until sales significantly decline, I wouldn't expect a substantial change in the business model. And I don't foresee sales declining significantly, because I simply don't believe the "vast majority" of those who purchase Madden are that disappointed with it, and only buy because its the only licensed NFL game in town.

[scratchdidthis]

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How do you determine a vast majority though? Because the comments on these social media sites are all negative? How many people are we talking on these social media accounts? 75% (750,000 people out of 1,000,000 buyers?) of the entire consumer base for Madden?

And could it be that those who are enjoying the game don't comment on these sites because they don't want to deal with the negativity and unfortunately sometimes ridicule for liking Madden.

And I'll never understand the mindset that I don't like it but I have to purchase it because its the only game in town. At the end of the day, all that matters to EA brass/Shareholders is the bottom line. To me, paying for a product you don't like and will get very little enjoyment out of is like me paying my employer to go to work.

Sales = success/quality product. The market is telling them that Madden is a good product that sells and thus earns revenue for the business.

Until sales significantly decline, I wouldn't expect a substantial change in the business model. And I don't foresee sales declining significantly, because I simply don't believe the "vast majority" of those who purchase Madden are that disappointed with it, and only buy because its the only licensed NFL game in town.

I could whole heatedly be wrong CB. It's not really a "mind-set" though.

[jay87]

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Madden does not make money through game sales, but through MUT ingame sales.
That's why EA has massively distributed codes for Madden21 on release through all possible channels.
In the Netherlands EA was recently convicted of illegal gambling in FIFA. If this happens in more countries, the business model could be over very quickly.
And again: profit has absolutely nothing to do with quality.


FIFA Ultimate Team: Niederlande verurteilt EA zu Strafe bis zu 10 Millionen Euro

[countryboy]

Re: Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

Madden does not make money through game sales, but through MUT ingame sales.
That's why EA has massively distributed codes for Madden21 on release through all possible channels.
In the Netherlands EA was recently convicted of illegal gambling in FIFA. If this happens in more countries, the business model could be over very quickly.
And again: profit has absolutely nothing to do with quality.


FIFA Ultimate Team: Niederlande verurteilt EA zu Strafe bis zu 10 Millionen Euro

They absolutely make money through sales, and income through MUT are additional profit margins on a concluded sale.

I guarantee you EA isn't selling Madden at or below cost. No possible way, because they cannot guarantee what, if any revenues, will be generated through additional content (MUT)

Sale through of a product is the best barometer that a company has at its disposal in terms of determining if the quality/need of their product is worthy of consumer demand. And in this case, the market is telling EA that Madden is of enough quality to warrant a purchase/sale.

[briz1046]

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They absolutely make money through sales, and income through MUT are additional profit margins on a concluded sale.

I believe an ex EA employee and Madden team member stated on here a while back that income through sale of hard copies is minimal, digital sales are more profitable but the vast majority of profit is made via MUT and micro transactions, perhaps somebody can remember the guys name as I've forgotten

[countryboy]

Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

I believe an ex EA employee and Madden team member stated on here a while back that income through sale of hard copies is minimal, digital sales are more profitable but the vast majority of profit is made via MUT and micro transactions, perhaps somebody can remember the guys name as I've forgotten

While that may be the case, they still make money off of sales of the game which is what I was saying to the poster I quoted who was stating otherwise


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[kehlis]

Re: Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

Madden does not make money through game sales, but through MUT ingame sales.
That's why EA has massively distributed codes for Madden21 on release through all possible channels.
In the Netherlands EA was recently convicted of illegal gambling in FIFA. If this happens in more countries, the business model could be over very quickly.
And again: profit has absolutely nothing to do with quality.


FIFA Ultimate Team: Niederlande verurteilt EA zu Strafe bis zu 10 Millionen Euro

It's amazing they found a way to be so successful prior to MUT even existing then.

[jay87]

Re: Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

They absolutely make money through sales, and income through MUT are additional profit margins on a concluded sale.

I guarantee you EA isn't selling Madden at or below cost. No possible way, because they cannot guarantee what, if any revenues, will be generated through additional content (MUT)

Sale through of a product is the best barometer that a company has at its disposal in terms of determining if the quality/need of their product is worthy of consumer demand. And in this case, the market is telling EA that Madden is of enough quality to warrant a purchase/sale.

Sorry, but you seem to know nothing about economic planning. Of course you can plan the profit in MUT, just look at the last years and make a projection.
I will leave this here also now, discussions with you seem to be quite senseless

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

A fallacy in the argument that Madden only sells because of exclusive license is that not everyone feels it’s a bad game.

While contrary to popular opinion on OS, there are people who enjoy the game.


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One’s enjoyment could also be tied to exclusive. I know people hate to hear it and discuss it, but everything can be lead back to the exclusive.


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[jfsolo]

Re: Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

One’s enjoyment could also be tied to exclusive. I know people hate to hear it and discuss it, but everything can be lead back to the exclusive.


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This is speculation based off of anecdotal evidence of similar mined people, i.e., a sort of echo chamber of people who dislike Madden.

A few thousand at best of the same people regurgitating the same talking points on forums and social media is not necessarily representative of the larger sentiment toward the game. It could be, but the truth is unknown despite any vociferous and relentless claims to the contrary.

If indeed millions of people need a licensed NFL football game so badly that they would buy and play a game that they actually don't like, then EA was definitely totally correct to get exclusivity, and should attempt to keep it in perpetuity.

[countryboy]

Madden 21 Next Gen Preview by Brian Mazique

Sorry, but you seem to know nothing about economic planning. Of course you can plan the profit in MUT, just look at the last years and make a projection.
I will leave this here also now, discussions with you seem to be quite senseless

I’m sorry I refuse to let you make **** up and pass it off as fact.

I’ll stop making you defend your unfounded “facts”

As for my understanding of economic planning, well let’s just say that I’m not naive enough to believe tgat a company is selling a product for no profit. [emoji6]

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[jmurphy31]

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Tough to judge games by sales and also social media or forums.

For one I would say the majority who post on social media, forums, youtube are doing it get their negative posts and complaints out there. It really skews the narrative. Most people content with the game have no need to post on twitter or youtube comment sections. That's why most companies offer some sort of incentive to fill out post purchase surveys. If they didnt mostly the negative ones would make it back to the store

As for sales. A lot of sales are parents buying them for the kids, regardless if they play them or not. Heck even I buy my son Madden every year for his own system on black Friday just so my mom can give it as a Christmas Present. He plays it for a few weeks and then it collects dust. Im sure others are the same way,,