Re: auto generated draft is terrible

[niftyjets]

Re: auto generated draft is terrible

Has anyone figured out a way to get the announcers to say the rookies names from generated draft classes?

[Fuimus Troes]

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Why has nobody mentioned the most obvious thing (and sorry if they have) -- they ratings and positional ratings breakdowns don't come close to mirroring a typical rookie class. I've YET to see an 81 overall player, and most "early first rounders" are in the 74-75 range. There are tons of 71-rated DT's every draft and nearly NO decent TE or OL.

And to be clear: I don't want stacked classes, I just want classes to loosely mirror the in-game rookie class.

Regardless of progression/development, the draft classes themselves are atrocious.

[khaliib]

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Why has nobody mentioned the most obvious thing (and sorry if they have) -- they ratings and positional ratings breakdowns don't come close to mirroring a typical rookie class. I've YET to see an 81 overall player, and most "early first rounders" are in the 74-75 range. There are tons of 71-rated DT's every draft and nearly NO decent TE or OL.

And to be clear: I don't want stacked classes, I just want classes to loosely mirror the in-game rookie class.

Regardless of progression/development, the draft classes themselves are atrocious.

If you’re talking about Front End rosters, those are built for H2H play, not Franchise.

As of M20 a Spread Out scale was finally applied to Madden after an entire console generation of asking for more of the scale to be used for greater Player Differentiation.

70’s is considered “Quality Starter” level with Elite hitting 80/90’s.
60’s are backups.

One of the major factors that lower rated players provide is greater “play difficulty” upon the user, esp with positional ratings not being so high.
(the median of most are between 65-75)
- try playing with a QB with MAC/DAC in the 60’s.... most would probably start adjusting Sliders or just quit all together.

The good thing about Player Editing is that you can tailor your Draft Classes however you want them to impact your Franchise.

Drafting a 60’ish rated player and watch him develop or even make a Pro Bowl is the best feeling.

[ktd1976]

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Personally, I like the draft classes the way they are. A buddy of mine and I just got done with the off season of a franchise where we had our scouting set to auto, and didn't start until week 13, so the scouting was limited.

We each landed a decent prospect in the first round, though I "missed" on a better HB because I took the one with better grades. Was still a good player, but only a normal Dev.

We both found 2 Hidden Dev players later on in the draft.. Then we each signed an undrafted rookie in the low 60's that had Hidden dev.

Maybe what needs to be done is this.......

Maybe EA needs to have the Dev Traits be "static" IE they aren't determined immediately. The actual DEV trait is dependent on performance. Meaning a player with "hidden" dev trait could be anywhere from normal to x-Factor depending on how he plays. This would make ratings much more important, but still allow for "busts"

A couple examples.

A 74 OVR QB with hidden dev.

Season A: Throws for 3500 yards, 25 TDs, 10 INT. Would get SUPERSTAR Dev.

Season B: Throws for 3000 yards, 20 TD, 15 INT. Would get STAR Dev.

Season C: Throws for 3000 yards, 20 TD, 25 INT. Would get Normal Dev, and maybe a bust.

Season D: Sat behind a good starter, didn't play much, or at all. His Dev would remain Static

Could have the Dev trait remain "static" until the age 23 or 24 season....Would allow for the "Late bloomers" (such as Drew Brees) and players who don't start immediately to still be either studs or busts.

[cowboy_kmoney]

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I think the classes are balanced and that they are actually better than they ever have been.

This was discussed in another thread a few weeks ago and here is my take from there and for this as well.

If I draft a safety rated 78 but normal that is not a bad player. I focus train him for a year as a focus player and every other week do DB training plus start him he will increase 3-4 in that first year and maybe more depending on awards, stats etc. He will probably increase by 1-3 more a year after that first year without training and be around 85 at contract renewal time. Pretty solid pick.

I think it is more fun that if I draft that 74 overall player in the top 10 that I have to coach him to make him better even with normal development. I think it adds to the challenge of the rebuild that not every player is a sure thing.

We as a community need to look at overalls and ratings in a new way. A player rated in the 70s is a good starter and will come to work and do his job. We need to accept that not all players will be rated 90 or higher and that we don't need a team full of superstars and xfactors to win championships.

I think we need to look no further than recent quarterbacks. Look at players drafted in the top 10 like Darnold, Trubisky, Winston, Mariota, and RGIII. All were top 10 picks and looking at their careers thus far should any be considered a star player. Sure they have had their moments.

The fun in rebuilding is finding the right mix that when you get that hidden potential player and find out during the season he is a superstar, it is even more satisfying.

Long story not so short, I am digging the new draft classes.

I missed M20 and i still haven't gotten M21 and im going to wait til After these patches so it will at least be cheap and something to play then with the patch notes in..But i like what u spoke on. If its like this its what we been asking for along with CPU Draft logic which is coming in this next patch. So with them together we are in..Dnt change nothing its what we been wanting..U have to have the Draft Logic right for the CPU and its a rap..Realistic is what we been asking for and with this its just that. I dnt want every player A star or Hidden Dev. I want it like this so we can build our teams on Talent and find it in a realistic way...IMO..dnt mess wit it leave it as is..

[abolden05]

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My only problem with generated classes is that there seems to be a very limited range of athletic capabilities. You don’t get the random 88-89 speed TE, never get an RGIII, Lamar Jackson, or Kyler Murray level athlete at qb. Makes everyone very generic

[GlennN]

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I agree the generated classes are better now than in the past, and I LOVE the greater disparity in ratings on rosters, but the biggest thing for me is that this problem is easily resolved - we can edit the draft classes. If we are not happy with how the generated classes come out, we can edit to fit our desires. I love that ability!

[oneamongthefence]

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As easy as it is to get dev upgrades I'm never really disappointed by normal dev players.

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[webbjay82]

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Bust happen. I wish they would improve the scouting process. You would know more than three areas plus different scouts should give different grades on players.

[oneamongthefence]

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I wish I could scout things like kick return ability or players that might be fits in 2 different spots like a running back with passing ability or players that can swap positions and be somewhat proficient.

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[stinkubus]

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My only problem with generated classes is that there seems to be a very limited range of athletic capabilities. You don’t get the random 88-89 speed TE, never get an RGIII, Lamar Jackson, or Kyler Murray level athlete at qb. Makes everyone very generic

All of this is untrue.

[oneamongthefence]

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All of this is untrue.

Scrambling archetype usually max out at 90 THP. Very few running backs are threats outta the backfield, TEs aren't freak athletes at their position and usually have very poor blocking ratings unless they are a blocking tight end. Think of all the great players and you don't see many if at all that come in similar to their skill set or as well rounded. I get that their generational players but they should also exist in Madden draft classes.

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[stinkubus]

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I've drafted Scramblers with > 90 THP, but even if you can't get one when you need there also exist Improvisors and even Field Generals and Strong Arms with good enough mobility. The existence of Strong Arms who aren't statues is new this year.

If you can't get a TE with top end speed (these guys are almost always going in the 1st unless their skills are pure trash) there will be a plethora of Physical WRs with the size and STR to make the move to TE.

[benweird]

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I’ve actually enjoyed the generated classes so far in 21. In the 5th year of my franchise and I like the fact that there’s not 8 guys per team that are x-factor or superstar. I actually wish they’d have guys that just drop off out of nowhere in their career. There’s about 15 or so 99 rated players. In my last draft I was picking Mr. Irrelevant and I picked an unscouted MLB. He was a 58 overall with a hidden dev. In the playoffs now and I still don’t know his dev but I have taken a lot of pride in using training to improve him. Have him up to a 68 already. Very gratifying

[stinkubus]

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Those really low OVR players with dev traits will upgrade so fast due to the low amount of XP needed to earn the initial skill points. If you need depth at a position it's well worth your time to search for UDFAs (go to Free Agency and sort by age).